My thoughts on this topic originally: What a pointless topic!
My thoughts on this topic now: What sexist people there are in our community
In all seriousness a lot of these posts are blatantly sexist and some people need to re-evaluate their ideologies
I’m also calling the mods
Because people recognize it for what it is.
You’re missing the point, yes it’s good that they’re good characters, however it doesn’t change the fact that the concept itself is sexist. Intentional or not. No one is arguing that Gali and Nokama are bad characters, just that it’s sexist for all female characters to belong to one caste in matoran society.
Again, I think you are exagerating. Does anybody call Power Rangers sexist for having (as far as I am aware) two females? No. Ninjago for Nya? No. The Monsterverse for Monthra? No. The old transformers cartoon for Arcee (even tho compared to the TF franchise as a whole other females showed up very quickly)? Mayve, tho mostly no. The original Avengers for Black Widow? No. The comic book Avengers in their first ten years for Wasp? No. Pick and choose.
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, just that it’s sexist for all female characters to belong to one caste in matoran society.
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Although that have been retconned.
I feel like this has actually been a rather engaging and civil discussion on the logic behind genderlocking in bionicle. I don’t think anyone has been sexist (unless I’m here late and a ton of posts were deleted), I think people are just trying to use real world concepts to illustrate their points. No one has said anything to hurt, demean, or put down anyone, and I think it’s been rather thought provoking to read, mostly from the sidelines in my case. No need to make it a big deal🙂 Its a toy line we’re talking about.
Edit: I’d like to add that I think the gender locking is pointless, but I understand the various reasons that have been given/theorized. At the end of the day, if you want to make a female Toa of Fire or a male Toa of Water, go ahead! That’s the beauty of Lego.
As far as I can tell, I’ve been watching this for a while(since it began) and bit and no posts were really deleted.
The fact that you cannot stand other people’s opinions in a civil discussion about plastic toys shows you are the real person who needs to revealuate your ideology. The world is not an echo chamber. You have to talk to people who dissagre with you. Also, Name calling? Really? That is the lowest one can stoop in an argument.
It’s not that I ‘can’t stand others opinions’ it’s that I’ve seen people banned for this sort of thing
Like who? And for what? For “being sexist”?
Again, nobody is sexist here, so that wouldn’t be a problem.
That’s probably because something got too heated and stopped being civil. So far it doesn’t seem like this is heading in that direction.
Agreed. Lets keep this discussion civil and calm.
I don’t see any post here that demean women or says that they are bad. I don’t see any posts that demean men and say they are bad. I don’t see posts on gender-neutrals or the like either.
We don’t know Lego’s reasoning on this. I have not seen any sexist ideologies in Bionicle other then that which is kind of a strech. I have not seen anything to imply the demeaning of women in the movies or the games. Does that mean sexism isn’t in Bionicle? No. But I haven’t seen it.
Don’t demean people. Don’t be rude and curse at others.
Now I’ll have to read the other comments that have transpired since writing this lol.
BTW what do you think of my comment?
(quoting it so it can be found much more easily)
Just adding this here but by all means debates are allowed.
also I forget if quoting myself is allowed or not, welp time to see if it is
Also, has it been confirmed that ALL Ga-Matorans are female or the MAJORITY of them are. Just because the ones on Mata/Metru Nui are all female doesn’t mean all Ga-Matorans are female.
If I remember correctly there was a ga-matoran on MNOG that used the masculine gender pronouns. though I’m probably wrong there, it’s been a while since I’ve played it
Quoting Biosector:
“They are also one of the female Matoran types.”
Tho this doesn’t mean they are all females.
You know, I just thought of something. If the great beings originally didnt give the matoran universe inhabitants sentience, why did they even give them genders? Its not like they even had personalities anyway. Could it have originally been an aesthetic thing (not identifiable in the sets) just to simply help differentiate the “models” if you will, or aid in specific functions? Like maybe earth matoran having broader shoulders for carrying heavy things and digging, ga-matoran being thinner and sleeker for swimming, (swimmers tend to be lean) etc? Maybe when Velika “awakened” them, he simply coded in some base traits based on the physical appearances he saw, because it matched what he knew as a biological organism? It still makes little sense, but I’m just throwing darts at the wall.
So more gender in name and genderless by function?
Maybe they don’t even comprehend the idea of genders, and they use different pronouns as a programming issue or something.
I guess? It literally could have been just for artistic or convenience sake in story.
I mean, after all, they are robots. Unless you secifically want them to have a gender, by theory they should be just some pieces of moving metal.
Like take for example Sophia. She is a she because her makers wanted it. If their only goal was to make an AI, a robotic mind that exists only to do stuffs that we want, then she wouldn’t be considered a female, she wouldn’t look like a creepy female. She would be completely genderless, although it’s prettu hard for us to comprehend a being with no gender.
Like WallE should be genderless. Why in the world would a dying species give a gender to this type of robots. Eve too. Why would Eve be programmed to have a gender. In theory, they should be genderless, although if you would have the two in front of you (and because Disney) it would be hard for you not to call the sleek, cleaner one female and the dirtier and cuter one male.