Yes because 2016 sold way better than 2015. It’s all the detail they added to the pieces. /s
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Woah! That’s a bold statement. Can you at least say it’s you opinion I still like the sets despite of their functions.
Exactly. Casual consumers don’t know anything about building systems. To my parents, my siblings, and other kids I know/friends of mine, it was clearly BIONICLE to them, and they were the target audience. A delusional minority that saw G2 as “HF with BIONICLE’s logo” aren’t going to change that. They’re niche deserters from a fanbase that’s already niche.
Oh my, the 2001 Toa, Bohrok, and Toa Metru must have sold awful then. They lasted TWO years in all of the stores around me. Stop with the baseless accusations. 
Where do you live? Bargainland?
That is rubbish because do you remember Lego’s Twitter? The sales figures were SOLID and were at or above expectation[quote=“ShadowWolfHount, post:31181, topic:15529”]
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So once again you’re saying CCBS = HF.
NO IT DOESN’T!!!
You’re correct that a “Casual consumer” wouldn’t understand that there was a previous building system if they didn’t know the previous line, but for people that were there for G1, G2, and Hero Factory, they can see the minor differences that turn people off to G2.
The reason so many of us liked G1 was because of the detail, absent from wave 1 of G2, that only began to return during wave two of G2 but with different polymers and unfamiliar non-biological shapes. Biology is a key thing missing from G2 that is literally in [Bio]nicle’s name, when you look at things such as the Rahkshi, they look biological but when you look at something like the skull spiders they look produced/manufactured, making them unfamiliar to the G1ers.
You. Weren’t. The. Target. Audience. Hardly any casual mainstream consumer cares about details or textures. If you talk to your parents about that, they’ll look at you as if you’re too obsessed over a child’s toyline, which might be the truth. Also, some change is good. G1 had so many freaking clashing textures, the best thing about G2 is that it was more unified and streamlined. I really don’t care how the delusional minority feels at this point. Your points and accusations are all nostalgia based, and you can like something for whatever reasons you want, but the downfall of BIONICLE G2 wasn’t a lack of texture. Heck, it wasn’t even a lack of sales. LEGO itself said that G2 sold well. Whatever caused the cancellation, it was pure business. It’s that simple.
So, Herofactory.
The word Streamlined was a big selling point of herofactory in its manufacturing style that was both not prevelant and did not fit in G1 because THEY ARE BIOLOGICAL, not straight up ROBOTS
Aka the people that would have benefited lego the most if they had pandered to.
Since you exclude yourself in that sentence, I assume you weren’t around for G1 and are only looking at it now.
IF you didn’t exclude yourself then congrats, you’re a hypocrite.
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Also let’s try to stay a bit mature when discussing, thanks. No need for calling people names.
So ylou are criticising bionicle because it uses the new constraction system, which makes of look streamlined and therefore that = HF. Because that what out sounds like to me. And have you not seen the piston add on from 2015? Its got plenty of detail, if anything g1 had too much detail[quote=“Shendar, post:31190, topic:15529”]
IF you didn’t exclude yourself then congrats, you’re a hypocrite.
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How is he a hypocrite in anyway?
Correct, it Was business, aka their relaunch was failing due to the consumer realizing its garbage.
It was a bad business decision to make the line, just like it was a bad business decision to make the gold masks with their budget.
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The shells are too big to make small details in mocs, repetition does not mean your moc is good.
So your saying that G2 is way better then G1, when it uses the same pieces over and over for 6 years, and the only difference between HF and 2015 Bionicle G2 are the tumor back and mask pop-off gimmick.
Your dad is one out of millions and my friend met a lot of people outside of the bionicle community that dislike G2.
You do know that I’m talking about the shell armor that are smoothly flat, if I was talking about shell armor in general, then I would be complaining about G2 as a whole.
Back Tumor, exposed balljoints and gaps.
Have you not been reading of what I have said, because of 2015 bionicle, the damage have already been done and the common consumers already think of Bionicle as hero Factory V2.
Have you seen the BZP news about in 2015 of February, Onua and Gali were onclarence around the US. As for the LEGO’s tweet, have you ever heard of dmage control, have you seen the reaction from bionicle fans outside of the TTV board.
If I was saying that, I would be complaining about the 2016 Bionicle sets and the Star Wars Ultrabuild sets. In fact the flat shall armor fits with the Star Wars Ultrabuild sets, but it still have element to make it different from other themes that uses the Ultrabuild system.
The word streamline is a big selling point for LEGO. That’s how bricks are, and that’s why they made constraction the same way. If you don’t like LEGO’s products, I’m not sure you belong on this topic, because this is a place to talk about 2016 sets, not 2015 sets, and generally this isn’t a good time to start badmouthing G2. A lot of us are sad to see it cancelled and loved the sets. These toxic opinions aren’t adding anything helpful to the discussion here either.
Now that’s just rubbish. They don’t need to do ANY damage control. If they said it sold bad, it wouldn’t matter. BIONICLE is cancelled so it literally wouldn’t affect them. Stop with the conspiracy theories. They said it performed well, and we have to take their word for it. There’s no good reason for them to lie about it, and there aren’t any benefits for them either way.
The streamlined factor wasn’t a big selling point for anything past their bricks until Herofactory and the detail introduced from Bionicle made it so that the pieces didn’t have to feel like either cheap plastic or feel like something replicated a thousand times, the detail gave them a structure by which they could feel like an actual figure/statue/sculpture while still remaining pose ability.
So they contradict the fact that the stores refused to sell it this year because of it being a burdon to their intake of money, along with this you could see the remaining sets sitting in clearance where they wouldn’t even get bought unless they were one of like 3 sets kids wanted.
This discussion is getting really toxic. I generally agree with Tarvaax, but all y’all really need to chill out. Saying things like “You don’t belong on this site” or making assumptions about who was or wasn’t a G1 fan isn’t what we should be doing here.
It’s worth noting that Lego’s Twitter statements that “G2 sold well”, particularly the ones made after the line’s cancellation was announced, should be taken with a grain of salt. As our glorious TTV overlords (I say that with love) pointed out in the last podcast, if it really did sell well there would have been no “business reason” to end the line in the first place.
Why do you keep calling it Ultrabuild? Not bashing you, just curious.
There are plenty of other reasons to end the line for business reasons besides sales. Team restructuring, possible new themes that they think might make more money than BIONICLE, experimenting with improving and perfecting CCBS, contracts and negotiations with Disney because they might dislike the competition that BIONICLE brings their Star Wars constraction line.
AND YES I KNOW YOU WEREN’T SAYING IT DOES**
CCBS doesn’t equal Herofactory inherently but it does equal something streamlined and simplistic which as stated previously Bionicle was not and whether or not you like the detail I hope that we can all agree that the shells would not have worked on G1 because of their simplicity, which has been used good elsewhere but doesn’t fit Binkle.
Also the overuse of pistons on the chest piece of G2 doesn’t add a level of detail but instead messiness of designers trying to maintain their job by attempting to pander to the older audience, though still failing.
Except 2015 portrayed the feel of bionicle whilst using CCBS. And why does smooth always equal simplistic?[quote=“Shendar, post:31200, topic:15529”]
Also the overuse of pistons on the chest piece of G2 doesn’t add a level of detail but instead messiness of designers trying to maintain their job by attempting to pander to the older audience, though still failing.
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Who brought the 2016 torso piece into this?
“they don’t need to do any damage control”, have you seen the reaction on facebook, google+ and youtube, they are out for blood. It was obvious damage control for those people, at it obvious when they said that the summer sets are not going to be in the Asia and the Pacific markets, and that they will not be making a Makuta set with the mask of Ultimate Power.
Are you trying to make me want to drink bleach with my eyes.
I call it Ultrabuild because CCBS is a really stupid name, making a character and creature can be use with system and the contraction system of Bionicle G1.
Because that is the way of simplicity, as a designer I can say, the less there is the more simplistic the product you’re making is.
You can make something detailed with a bit of simplicity
but you cannot make simplicity with detail.
Who ever brought up pistons earlier as a feature of detail, and since the chest has the most of them it was a prime piece to use as an example of pistons not making more detail.
None of this is reason not to discuss it, this is after all a Discussion website.
It has more to offer* to the average or bad moc-er, someone who wants to build a detailed moc is not going to use something simple that clicks together unless it is a big moc.
I’m still hoping for Nexo Knights constraction sets. That’d be so freaking cool yo.
