Deception of the 8th Toa?

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Um, didya’ read what I said?

It’s just an idea for a story arc, and a new villain. Karrzahni tries to trick the Toa, by giving them what they think is a new ally.

well yeah but I didnt understand it fully

I had another idea that might be cool, but I don’t think it suits the character very well.
What if said evil 8th Toa was conflicted on which side to join, and maybe he falls in love with one of the toa, Lewa maybe. Of course the feelings wouldn’t be shared, but it might be good to help flesh him out.

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IDK, maybe have them try and emulate the main 6, but rather distorted?

something like the shadow toa.

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Distorted?

I think we can say Distorted is a good word for what I am making.

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Ladies and gentlemen, We’re proud to introduce you to Mariko!

Deceitful “Toa” of Madness!
Despicable servant to the dark lord Karrzahni
Created to gain the trust of the Toa, and use his powers to turn them against one another!

This AMAZING drawing was done by @ZceeNook!

What do you think, @IllustriousVar

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Looks like Umarak. Which is cool, I certainly like it.

But does he really have to be a Toa?

(“Madness” is also kind of a silly “element” to have. I get that he is mad, but as a power? Mreeeeeeeeeeeeh)

These are plot points that would already be touched upon with Voriki.


Honestly, I’m not really feeling this idea but I cant say one way or the other about whether or not it would work in our canon simply because it really has nothing to do with our story currently.

Karzahni isn’t really a part of G3. For Brickonicle we’re only developing our three-year pitch. Karzahni is a backup villain in the scenario that our hypothetical G3 reboot was a success and Lego extended the line past three years. Essentially any storylines involving Karzahni is a hypothetical of a hypothetical that would likely never actually happen.

Lets say our G3 did actually happen, and Lego decided not to extend the line past three years, as it does with most of its IPs. Karzahni would have never even been mentioned at all.

This is why we were hesistant to bring him up in the podcast because his relevance to the actual story being told here is very minimal.

Our villain is Makuta, not Karzahni. The story you guys are wanting to tell with the “8th Toa” is essentially the same one with want to tell with the 7th, with less of a “mad chaos” angle.

Without the first three years of story fleshed out none of your ideas for the future stories will really work with our plans because there’s not really an established canon surrounding them at the moment.

Essentially you’re thinking too far ahead for me to really get behind any of these pitches.

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Well…

Keep it in mind.

you never know how long you will plan for this. I am sure there are more people out there willing to make content if you continue.

Me included… Even though my succes with getting anything into your canon has been a up hill battle that I am not winning…
Not gonna stop me, Ill keep trying.

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That looks so good, but wouldnt the antlers be to fragile if it was made?

@IllustriousVar Oh, well that’s a shame.
Maybe the other cast members would like it?
I was eager to see what @Ven or @Eljay thought, in particular.

We know it’s all very unlikely, but the entirety of G3 is hypothetical, so why shouldn’t we use our imagination? We know it would be along shot for any of this to be “canon.” We were just looking to help make a part of your own G3 universe.

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They grow back… Eventually

As far as the design goes, I quite like it. I enjoyed Umarak, and this does resemble it quite a bit, so it works.

Pertaining to it being a Toa, I’ll have to echo most of what Var said. The issue with introducing more Toa in general is that they will have to be given quite an extensive amount of focus, given that they are Toa. That goes for any main/important character, really. And that is then focus that is taken off of our main six protagonists.

If you notice, the golden years introduced very few new characters. Most of them that were sets were recycled, and given little to no focus. MNOG Matoran have no character, and most Matoran during those years only got fleshed out later.

Generation 1 in general made it work because they relied heavily on pre-established characters. The Toa Metru, Inika, etc. Even Takanuva was a character we knew. That lessens the impact of focus, or backstory, because you already know them.

In this scenario, it would be shortly after Voriki, who will still need to be established, and as Var said, we’ll likely go through with those character developments with her. If you want my honest opinion, go all in with that Umarak comparison. Give him these legs. I think this concept could work as a stand-alone character as opposed to an 8th Toa, of which may not be necessary depending on how well Voriki ends up being received/fleshed out.

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Lets just all agree on him not having short legs to start another discussion.

What about an Avatar of a 3rd/forgotten god?

I would like him to hold a certian Lovecraftian theme with him.

The only reason he was supposed to ever be a fake Toa, was because that’s the kinda of trickery we thought to expect from Karrzhani, he wasn’t supposed to come in and make a huge difference, He’s not supposed to be the permanent 8th Toa, he’s more of an evil henchmen, who is briefly believed to be on the good side. He wouldn’t carry an entire arc, he’d be more of a sub-plot, like Boba Fett, rather than Darth Vader. For example-

If anyone’s ever seen Coke Lyoko, a french anime I watched as a kid, there’s always the main heroes that go into the digital world- THEN they introduce a new one, but her reveals himself as a spy for the monster in the digital world.

That’s what I’m trying to explain, he’s not supposed to be a main character, nor will he have any major impact on the story. He’s just another supporting villain, he’s a challenge for the heroes to overcome. People aren’t always what you think, and all that. He isn’t a real toa, it’s just lead to believe he is when he first appears, it’s a charade.

We’re not introducing a new Toa, we’re introducing a villain who pretends to be one, and is caught and defeated.

Who would the audience ever trust more than a Toa? one of the heroes they’ve come to trust. then, shortly after first appearance, HE’S EVIL!
GASP

He’s not an 8th Toa, he pretends to be one, he lies.

But regardless, It looks like you’re not really interested in him, as he is. Poor Mariko.
I’m open to him resurfacing as a stand alone villain, and I’m sure @ZceeNook is too.

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Time to get a concept of Voriki out too.

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I like it. However, while the head looks cool, it makes him look less Toa-like. I’m not sure if he would be fooling anyone.

We have an explanation for that, he claims to have contracted a disease or virus, (like the hoardiaka mutations.) And give other vague reasons for his “deformities” like having acid spit at him, or other things.

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Im just throwing this out there as an idea for how you could incorporate an 8th toa into the story. What if the toa trusted this fake 8th toa during around the beginning of year 2 of brickonicle because he showed them he was an okay guy through his actions and disguising himself.
But then its revealed as you guys have stated that hes from karzhani and evil. Then maybe he could do that thing where he embraces the light but is rejected and goes off on his own, then we stop there and do something that bionicle did which was to let their fans build on top of that character.
This could also lead into how voriki’s interactions with the toa will be later. Since they’ve already tried to trust the fake 8th toa and it was revealed he was secretly evil, then voriki must prove herself to the toa which could make for a much more interesting interaction between all of the toa.

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I don’t expect much about Karzahni to pop up. but it would be cool.

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Why artarka without Karzhani