I think this description of Ekimu’s personality helps reason why he does the things he does, and it makes it even more sense when you realize he is not necessarily benevolent (especially when including his usurpation of Mata Nui). This actually makes his aesthetic much more interesting than if he were benevolent.
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Oh, so it is a progression? That makes sense.
Ekimu is slowly pushing his limits starting small and working his way up. As he creates, he develops an addiction and god complex. He blows off his brother’s warnings because of said complex and creates sentient life. He then uses his agreement with Makuta as an excuse to create the Nuva, his ultimate creations.
I think I could get behind that.
I see, that makes much more sense.
Thank you for taking the time to clarify, I feel this was very informative.
Could the Nuva have existed before but just as simple energies to anchor the island? Later then, Ekimu could empower them and grant them sentience to become the elemental gods.
It would allow the island to already have the elements anchored but still have the Nuva become the gods after the Matoran have sentience.
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The way I understand sentience (at least in the Brickonicle world) is that the potential resides within every living thing and spirit, or even the aspects of the natural world (Nuva). All that is needed is a divine spark.
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Dude, way to bring my design to life! I love it!
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Glad you like it, I tried to stay as true to your amazing design as possible.
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I think what makes the Elemental Gods (I’m not sure if we’re calling them Nuva) “themselves” is the added benefit of sentience - all of the actual elemental “energy” existed when the island was created, but they’re just that, elements. The concept of having an “anchor” for the elements only really exists for the Matron, because they need anchors to have access to the elements.
He’s more like an artist, right? But one who’s willing to play with fire, even if it ends up burning him alive. It doesn’t make him bad, but it doesn’t make him all that good either.
Right! Except I don’t know that the Nuva would be his ultimate creations, I think he would still value the Matoran as such. Actually, I think he would view the Toa as his ultimate creations, as they are the ones that actively “rebel” against him and Makuta. They chose freely and they had the power to carry it out, just like he did initially, so he can be certain they’re at least as sentient as he is.
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Here’s another problem: why would Karzahni create the lightning tribe if it was Ekimu’s Matoran that sparked his insanity? Creating a new, sapient race would cause even more alternate futures, worsening Karzahni’s condition.
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But he didn’t create the Toa, the Elemental Gods did. The Toa are supposed to be manifestations of the Gods’ power, right? A way they can rebel, since their power isn’t able to do it directly.
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(It makes me slightly uncomfortable calling them the “elemental gods”, so that’s one reason I refer to them as the Nuva. The second reason is, the name just seems fitting. Each element has a symbol that represents it and both relate to the Toa.)
I was under the impression that the elements were what made up the island and therefore need to be anchored in some way so the island doesn’t destroy itself.
I am interested to know how you see Ekimu valuing the Matoran over the Nuva?
The Toa aren’t technically his creations but I could see him taking credit for making them.
He doesn’t care or doesn’t even know he’s insane, the insane usually don’t think they’re insane. His lust for knowledge of the future drives him and influences his decisions. He may have even created the lightning tribe to increase the amount of visions he sees.
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this is were my old idea of the Lightning tribe not being made by Karzahni came from. They would work better as a creation of the Matorans sentience, plus having the element of Lightning being artificialy made also works in explaining why there is no elemental god of lightning or any seventh toa of lightning before.
Plus another idea i had was that the lightning tribe were also the ones who manufactured the masks of power that the toa of that time later seals away.
Simply put, the lightning tribe to me, would be one of the BIG points Makuta brings up to prove that he was right in how giving the matorans sentience was a bad idea.
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He made both the Matoran and the Elemental Gods, so them uniting together to rebel against him was, to him, the ultimate form of autonomous creation. He had created something that could choose for itself and created something to fulfill that choice. That fusion was the Toa, and I think he would admire them the most.
The Matoran are the ones that beg the Elemental Gods to intervene on their behalf, and they were always the sentient culture that Ekimu wanted to create. The Elemental Gods, while sentient, don’t have interpersonal relationships, don’t build cultures and buildings or create art. They’re also made as part of a compromise with Makuta, not with his personal creative freedom, so he feels like they’re not as pure creations.
Good question. That’s a decent hole in the “Matoran made Karzahni go insane” theory - in the canon, it’s long before the Matoran are made that Karzahni is imprisioned. I do like the idea that the Matoran having free will essentially spiraled his condition though, so we might revisit that. Not sure how that will be reconciled.
Why he made them is easy - the probability of Karzahni being freed goes way up if the people that imprisioned him aren’t around anymore. If he sows discord among the remaining brothers, there’s a high probability that either they’ll kill each other, or what actually happens in the story happens.
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I think I can get behind that. Thank you for clarifying.
How does he create the lightning tribe then? If the matoran didn’t exist before his imprisonment he wouldn’t have any way to make the lightning tribe.
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i feel that the plan of having Karzahni be the one who created the lightning Matorans makes many problems with the story. Personally i think Karzahni’s actions should not be tied with Ekimu and Makuta’s argument. I think it’s better if Karzahni was instead pulling some other strings of the plot instead of making the conflict with his two other brothers worse.
I mean when Karzahni would be revealed, it would sort of feel like a “and here is the TRUE villain behind the conflict” which would kinda take away point of Makuta being the main antagonist.
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Just want to bring this back up for the TTV cast.
wait I have a question concerning kharzani and the lightning matoran so why is Makuta the villain it seems almost lilke Kharzani is the villain and in the official stroy bible there was a lightning toa but there was no info on her who is she and how else does this tribe affect the story?
Makuta wants to end all matoran to release them of their “suffering” or something like that. Point being he want to kill Matoran.
Karzahni is the villain after year 3. Until then, it is Makuta.
The story bible is not complete yet. The cast just posted what they had so far, since people were asking for it. As for Voriki, she will show up around year 3, once the civil war of year 2 is done.
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i don’t think that’s right. I can’t remember the cast having ever said that Karzahni WILL be the main villain after year three. Just that if the theme continued after year three, Karzahniwould then show up.
no, from what i remember, Makuta wants to remove the Matorans sentience (or atleast that is what i remember them having talked about before at some point when discussing Makuta’s plans).
Yeah, maybe I remembered it wrongly. Either way you can on to argue, if a matoran has no sentience is it still a matoran.