I believe he means [spoiler] the two main twists, those being the reveal that Vulture is Liz’s father and that Michelle is the MCU’s version of MJ.
Personally, I didn’t really find the first all that cliche. Yes, Spider-Man has a history of facing down villains who are actually the relatives of his close friends (or those friends themselves), but what superhero doesn’t? Adding personal conflict to a hero story makes it all the more interesting for the viewer/reader, and if every villain Spidey faced was some random person he’s never met, he’d have no real conflict in defeating them. Plus, I feel the twist was executed well in this film, and that it was less cliche, because Liz wasn’t Peter’s best friend, like Harry Osborn usually is. She was just his crush, his homecoming date. Having the Vulture turn out to be her dad is sufficiently plausible that it’s not really cliche, and it was subtly hinted at earlier in the film.
In terms of the MJ reveal, I can agree a little more. Clearly, the filmmakers were trying to lead us astray on that one, and it fell a little flat. It seems strange that no one would have learned Michelle’s nickname earlier, and she states that her “friends” call her MJ, despite staying at the beginning of the movie that she has no friends. The reveal seemed a little shoehorned, and I don’t think the movie or the character really benefited from it. It does seem as though they’re setting her up as a love interest, though, as a few observant fans noted that she seems to follow Peter around wherever he goes, even to detention. She makes excuses for those appearances, but they seem to be disguising the fact that she may be interested in him. [/spoiler]
I never actually knew what Michelle’s name was, but when the MJ thing happened it didn’t really surprise me. As for Liz’ father being Vulture, that surprised me. I very much enjoyed the tension that was there afterwards and how Peter dealt with it.
I just saw the movie today and I was pretty much a Tom Holland fan after Civil war but now he is my favorite spider-man. Quick review: Acting by everyone was great, Stark didn’t dominate the movie as much as I though, the rubble scene is great, the possible future upgrade at the end is a nice touch, really comedic and entertaining at all times.
The two cliches tho, the Liz’s dad cliche was very subtly hinted and it was a nice realization. The Michelle is MJ was abrubt but I don’t really care, it’s not as core to the movie as the vulture’s identity.
Have I mentioned the rubble scene?
[Edit] I’m an idiot and put a spoiler in
Great movie, best spider man movie out of the 1 I’ve seen.
I thought it was somewhat obvious Michelle was going to be Peter’s love interest later, but the MJ thing somewhat suprised me. Also the Vulture being Liz’s dad was a pleasant surprise. Both me and my dad expected the Vulture to have kidnapped Liz, not be her dad.
Fun fact: Andrew Garfield cried more than Tobey did in their respective films.
And lol no. I love Tobey’s Spider-Man. While I still have yet to see Homecoming, I still love Tobey’s performance. I get people love Andrew Garfield’s performance it just didn’t feel like Peter Parker or Spider-Man to me.
I hated Tobey’s Spider-Man. Didn’t like Spider-Man 1 at all. Too dated and I want to punch Tobey in his face every time I see him. Spider-Man 2, I liked despite who was playing our hero and the continued dumb things from movie one. Molina was great as Doc Ock, JJJ was the best thing as per the usual, and the train scene is awesome, I can’t deny that. Haven’t seen 3.
I can’t pinpoint why I don’t like Tobey McGuire, but there’s just a part of me that is immediately disgusted any time I see him on screen in any movie. So my opinions on his performance are going to be skewed somewhat because of that. I liked Garfield because he was the more quipy Spidery out of the original two, even if he actually did do more of the crying (and did it better IMO). I felt TASM1 was the superior origin story of the two, and I liked all the characters on screen. Sure, the idea that he’s supposed to be this nerd didn’t exactly sell very well, but I never bought that Tobey was in High School either.
Regardless of which of the two originals people say is better, it doesn’t really matter now, because Holland blows both of them out of the water.
See, I found it more problematic. When Uncle Ben died you don’t feel the weight of his death, it doesn’t feel like Peter learned his lesson from Uncle Ben’s death (instead dropping the chase of the villain and then not even understanding his own fault), and there was also an incredibly weak villain (which was actually my favorite villain in the comics, which they didn’t do justice at all). The only thing I’ll praise in the film is actually the Stacys, in which Gwen was an incredible love interest, and George Stacy was a good antagonist for Peter.
Unlike Raimi’s films, in which the origin has a ton of weight. The moment Peter sees the face of the burglar, it all flashes in front of his eyes, and he realizes the error in his selfishness. There’s also Dafoe’s strong (yet cheesy) villain, the astounding cast like J. Jonah Jameson, a good Aunt May, Harry Osborn, etc. Plus the soundtrack is far better. And yeah, Peter does dumb things. He always does.
As for quips… Andrew Garfield’s come off as more obnoxious and fast and they don’t really amuse the viewer. Meanwhile, when Tobey’s Spider-Man says his quips, he puts a ton more expression into them, and they’re much more mocking toward the enemy and the viewer just enjoys it more. His is more scarce but when they appear its much more fun. Quipping is fine, but I feel Andrew does it far too much. After all, Spider-Man doesn’t ALWAYS quip when fighting.
I honestly can’t wait, then. Gosh Wednesday feels like an eternity.
I disagree. He dropped the chase of Ben’s killer because he got caught up in the main story of the Lizard and Oscorp conspiracy and learned what it meant to be Spider-Man, and that seeking revenge on that guy wouldn’t make him feel better.
I didn’t think so. The lizard was handled really well I thought. Watching him marvel (ha) at his re-grown arm and the success he’s finally had, only to witness the horror that he becomes and how it twists him was acted really well and sold me on his anguish. It was kind of stupid that he left that video diary, but overall I found him to be on par with Octavious in Spider-Man 2.
Ah, yes, the Green Gollum. He was WAY too cheesy for me to take him seriously. Total over-the-top Jekyll and Hyde performance. Sure, let’s see cheesy early 2000s CGI Spider-Man fighting the Green Power Ranger. That’s exciting.
Didn’t care for him either. Not bad, but not good either. Better than DeHaan in TASM2 for sure, though. Still don’t know why either are friends with Peter, though. I was never sold on that.
Ehhh, I can’t really say I like the score either. It didn’t stand out to me the way Horner’s theme for TASM did, or the awesome way the whispers were mixed in with Electro’s theme in TASM2. The music in that film is one of it’s saving graces.
His… what, one, really poor quip about Goblin being out of his mind? Other than that, I can’t recall more than about two sentences Peter ever said in the mask, let alone quips.
To me Spider-Man is an every-man character that you see why people pick on him because of his outward appearance and how he acts a bit nervous around his peers, but is really this spectacular (ha!) person that is more than he seems, and that’s why you root for him. As Peter Parker, he is kind of a dorky person, but when he’s Spider-Man he gets a boost of confidence and becomes a totally different person, the person he really is but rarely shows to others. Tobey was way too dorky as Peter and never showed any redeeming qualities as Spidey. He put on his mask, was silent for most of the time, and then got back to what he was doing before. I didn’t find a reason to root for him. Garfield was better at this, but was ultimately too confident as Peter more often than not.
Holland blends the two aspects perfectly, thank goodness. He’s awkward around his peers, more confident around Ned and Aunt May, and of course firing on all cylinders as Spider-Man while still being insecure and learning the job of being a hero. I can’t wait to see more of him in Infinity War and Homecoming 2, which I have dubbed Spider-Man: Prom until we get an official title.
I also think Homecoming might have the most Spider-Man screen time as well. Peter is in the mask for half the movie doing stuff, where in the original and TASM we (understandably) didn’t get much of the suit until the half-way point, and was Spider-Man on screen for even 10 minutes in TASM2? We just got Peter running around doing stuff.
I think people look back on the Rami trilogy with rose-tinted goggles too often. I didn’t grow up with those films even though I was around when they were coming out. I didn’t see any Spider-Man film until 2012 when a friend and I basically watched 1, 2, and TASM back-to-back-to-back. I felt the first two Rami films didn’t live up to the hype people had around those films and found TASM to be a much better movie overall. Everything worked better IMO, the villain, the love-plot, the costume, the acting, the score, etc, while still suffering from some of the same problems as the originals. Still, whatever problems the previous five films have, Homecoming does not. Long live MCU Spidey!
It’s exciting if you know that Green Goblin already was a stupid-looking character to begin with. Seriously I don’t understand this complaint. All comic book characters look stupid.
Plus, I feel Dafoe’s Goblin was really threatening despite his looks. He murdered people without remorse, tricked Peter Parker several times, hurt Aunt May just to instill fear in Peter, and then nearly killed Peter with his glider. Honestly, that’s a threatening villain if I’ve seen one.
He lost so much of his depth he had in the comics though. Where’s the stuff about his family worrying for him? Where’s the stuff about him trying to fight off the instinct of the lizard? It’s not there, and thus he became a generic villain when they removed the depth.
I guess you can compare him with Octavius, but did he really go through a character arc?
It’s just to stay loyal to the comics honestly.
Not even the main theme? The main theme is really iconic. Although, I guess I’ll give you this one… Electro’s theme is freaking awesome.
“That’s a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?”
“Here’s your change!”
“I’m the sheriff in this town.”
Just to name a few.
Also, it’s nice to know you understand the character of Spider-Man. To me, Tobey got more of the balance down than Garfield did. Garfield is just too cool. Tobey is supposed to be insecure, and struggles all the time balancing powers and life but as Spider-Man he becomes awesome. Does he get more whiny? Sure, at times. But I honestly prefer it over Garfield being too cool.
I’m gonna admit something. When I first watched the Amazing Spider-Man films, I did think they were better than Raimi’s films. For the longest time I clung onto them, defending them. However, when I decided to compare the two, the Raimi series was just better in my opinion. Why? Because they have a subtle depth to them, especially with film making.
Look at some of the shots. Often they’re at different angles to show a more dramatic pose, or they leave some of the screen empty. Raimi purposefully made it so they looked like comic book panels. This is obvious especially in Spider-Man 2 with Harry looking for Doc Ock on his porch. It shows his left, and then pans to his right. Someone would usually cut between there, but Raimi wanted to build suspense and make it feel like a comic panel.
And again, there’s subtleties. After Aunt May was rescued at the bank in Spider-Man 2, ever wonder why she never scolded Peter for abandoning her? That’s because, while the film never says it, subtlety she learns it, and just never says it. That’s why she gives Peter the “hero in all of us” advice.
There’s also some of Raimi’s horror aspects, too. He made the Evil Dead series before this and still incorporated some techniques from it. Jump scares, some of the stuff with Norman talking to himself in the mirror, showing his insanity, and making the surgery scene where Doc Ock’s tentacles kill all those doctors. Chilling stuff, which helps makes your villains more scary.
Man Wednesday feels like forever. I neeeeeeeeed to see it.
