Snoke wasn’t a Sith. He probably wasn’t even completely Dark Side based on his behavior.
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Well, maybe they’ll reveal who he was in IX, or maybe we’ll get Snoke: A Star Wars Story.
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YES! I told all of my friends that, because they were all upset that we didn’t find out anything about him. Walking out of Force Awakens, if you told me Snoke would not have any revealed backstory in TLJ, I would have cried. But while watching TLJ, I was more upset that he died than that he died without a backstory. But this is Star Wars! They can make a great movie out of anything! (Cough, Rogue One)
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Amen! Idk why so many ppl hated Rogue One
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ngl rogue one is actually pretty decent
not the best, not my fave, but still good
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(response to @fangface1’s post in the unpopular opinions about movies topic)
While I agree something would have been nice, I do believe it would have messed with the pacing of the scene, and with snoke’s attitude towards Rey being that she’s a threat it’s reasonable to assume he’d want her dead, nit monologuing about his several hundred year lifespan
Actually that could be interesting drama upon itself, With what we got in the last Jedi there’s the groundwork for a really good subtle family drama if someone decided to explore her parents
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I’m not talking about a specific scene; I’m talking about the movie as a whole. I think that to fix the problems with TLJ you’d probably have to rewrite the whole movie, not just a few scenes.
That’s exactly the point I was making in my post. You could still have this, but the fact that Kylo’s dismissal of them makes it feel final makes me doubt it.
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I’d have to disagree, only a few parts of the movie felt problematic to me, canto bight, holdo(though introducing the idea of a traitor would have made her secrecy make a lot more sense), and rose saving finn
Then I apologise for my misunderstanding
In such a case at Least we got an answer, was it very satisfying? No, but not all answers are
I’ll repeat what I said previously: if it wasn’t brought up at all, we could at least use our imagination to fill it in. I’d much rather have that than an unsatisfying answer.
I’d rather an answer, but to each their own
The thing about there being a traitor is that it doesn’t matter. Regardless if there is a spy or not, the plan still happens the same way. The only difference is that the traitor informs the First Order about the transports after they’ve been boarded rather than before. Holdo is still a god awful character regardless.
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The other thing is that both the First Order and the Rebellion was absolutely incompetent. The whole thing about the cannons not being able to support Kylo is absolute malarkey. He just slaughtered High Command and destroyed all of their X-Wings. They can do absolutely nothing to stop the First Order attack. Furthermore, if the First Order is really so impressive, do they not have any other ships they can call in to sandwhich the Resistance? I find that unlikely. And don’t even get me started on the fuel.
Also, Leia blames Poe for making the initial attack on the dreadnought, but SHE is the one in charge. If she really wanted to, she could call the bombers and fighters off. But she didn’t. She can’t just blame Poe for something that she would need to authorize in the first place.
And nobody has character development in this movie at all, when it boils down to it. Kylo started a whiny teenager, and he turned out a whiny teenager. Leia is still self-righteous, Hux is still an idiot (though he is my favourite character,) and Rey has learned nothing except that Kylo is just as whiny as he was before. This movie changes nothing except that there isn’t going to be a Snoke in the next one, and the Resistance can now all fit on the Millenium Falcon.
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That’s sort of the point of the First Order. Snoke created an army of man-children who wanted the good-ole-days of the Empire back with not much experience leadership wise that wins by employing the Separatist tactic of just overwhelm them. Sure, there’s the lethality of the new era of Stormtroopers and pilots that can actually hit their targets and officers like Phasma and Cardinal were effective in training them, but the top brass doesn’t seem all that smart, just riding the coat tails of their parents into positions of power, like in the case of Hux. Not having some of their ships jump in front of the dwindling Resistance forces and blow them up with ease shows that their inexperience created a bloated sense of ego and a sureness of victory that they became overconfident that led to unwittingly let the Resistance escape.
And even then they still took out like 95% of the Resistance forces that left D’Qar to travel to Crait. Three cruisers worth got dwindled to around 30 people. While some important people escaped, they essentially momentarily DID crush the Resistance.
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Except it does, the threat of a traitor or spy completely justifies holdo’s decision to keep the plan secret
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But why? The spy just tells the First Order the plan while they’re on the ship. Delaying telling them the plan doesn’t stop them from acting on it.
@prentice1215 I’ll give you that Snoke built them to be idiots, but Snoke himself has at least some battle sense, as would Phasma (her movie irrelevance aside.) Why would those two allow the Resistance even a sliver of hope of escaping?
And regardless of all of this, the fuel thing is still just bad writing, as is the speed of the Star Destroyers relative to the Mon Calamari star cruiser as a plot device. Those two just took me right out of the film.
The plan is that the first order doesn’t know the resistance got away, a spy would ruin it, so if that was a threat introduced her decision would have made sense
I’d argue that they’re not, the first order is just to arrogant to call in reinforcements
Why?
It is quite contrived, though an interesting setup for a movie so I’m not sure how I feel about it
But would the spy not ruin it anyway once they were onboard the escape ship? They wouldn’t know whom it was, so they would have to take everybody on the escape ships.
But would they not at the very least send the TIE fighters they had on board? There are no X-Wings to defend the command cruiser, so there’s no reason not to press the attack. I’m willing to believe that they’re keeping Kylo safe because he’s supposedly important, but Joe and Steve from the Stormtrooper corps could still try and finish them off. The First Order has never cared about its personnel, so why start now?
Because if the best excuse you can come up with for the Resistance losing is that they’re out of freaking fuel, then that’s just an awful plot device. ESPECIALLY since you have the Millenium Falcon running around with Rey. You also have multiple escape pods having been jettisoned earlier, because Rose is guarding them. Why not use that fuel to continue to power the ship beyond initial fuel reserves? Additionally, why isn’t the First Order running out of fuel? Shouldn’t they have similar fuel constraints? Fin and Rose were even able to take a ship out of the cruiser and fly to Canto Bight and back. To have all of this happen and then say “oh no, we’re out of fuel,” just doesn’t make sense to me.
They did, and the Resistance escaped.
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But they didn’t though? They just left the ship to continuously move forward after killing high command. The initial attack was called off, but there was no valid reason to do that.
It’s not a perfect fix, but it’s much better than her original motives for keeping it a secret
Why waste fighters if you can just wait for the fuel to run out?
No, it’s the reason they’re cornered, they’re losing Because they’re out numbered, out gunned, and outclassed on a military level
Their ships are much bigger than the one resistance ship, with the supremacy being a mobile capital it’s not a stretch to assume it can refuel the star destroyers as well
They do that
And the Resistance didn’t have time to worry about fuel, they had to get off of D’Qar FAST.
I mean, this is a war. Anything can decide who the victor is. If one side runs out of ammo, if a leader overlooks a small location, if someone spills coffee over a battleplan. Compared to those, fuel doesn’t seem that awful a reason.
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