The Elder Scrolls

[John_Smith]

I don’t think it invalidates the lore anymore than having an omnipotent being in, say, Narnia or LotR. C0DA is the thing that really screws up the lore, but fortunately it’s not canon.

[Xevins]

@Tarvaax

I’m still weirded out that CHIM exists in the lore in the first place. From my point of view, it makes all of the work and time spent on fleshing the world of TES out with lore meaningless, because of what CHIM means for that lore.

Honestly, that’s one aspect I want retconned, reeeeeaaaally badly.

We need another Dragon break then.

Wait a minute.

The Dragon break at the end of Daggerfall happened after ESO therefor until we have proof it is still existing in a later game we can headcanon that the Warp in the West “unwrote” it from history.

@John_Smith

C0DA

Why don’t I know what this is.

My knowledge is deficient.

This must be fixed.

[John_Smith]

@Xevins

Why don’t I know what this is.

Michael Kirkbride trying to make everything, even fanfics, canon

I think

[Xevins]

I looked it up.

Seems very odd.

And it defys my theory that the TES universe is stuck in a permanent medieval culture.

[John_Smith]

I think the whole Landfall/Loveletter thing also disproves that…not sure if it’s canon, though. XD

[Tarvaax]

The whole world of TES is totally the dream of some vault dweller in the fallout universe hooked up to a tranquility lounger as a part of some strange Vault-Tec experiment.

[John_Smith]

The Nirnroot in Fallout 4 proves it!

[Xevins]

@John_Smith

I think the whole Landfall/Loveletter thing also disproves that…not sure if it’s canon, though. XD

Wat.

@John_Smith

The Nirnroot in Fallout 4 proves it!

Things like this make devs like me regret easter eggs.

Though given the odd nature of Fallout canon, TES could be part of Fallout but Fallout couldn’t be part of TES.

[John_Smith]

@Xevins

Wat.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/loveletter-fifth-era-true-purpose-tamriel

Caution: Full MK. Proceed with care.

[Xevins]

Does anyone know the canon status of this author’s work?

Is this something from Oblivion trying to trick us?

Or is it I Love Bees quality advertising?

[Tarvaax]

@Xevins

Though given the odd nature of Fallout canon, TES could be part of Fallout but Fallout couldn’t be part of TES.

Yeah, I remember people trying to claim that TES happens later in the Fallout Universe just because of the stupid Nirnroot, but there were too many plot holes with that theory.

However, you could say that TES is the Fallout universe at its very beginning, sort of like how Tolkien’s Middle Earth was meant to be seen as our world at its very beginning, despite magic and immortality not being real to us.

I think the godhead being some vault dweller in an experiment that makes him live out multiple different lives makes more sense though. Because of this you could just say that Nirnroot is actually a plant that grew naturally in the Fallout universe pre and post-war, and the godhead is just mentally constructing a plant familiar to him during the simulation. It also explains why when people like Talos realize they’re the godhead, they either zero sum or gain manipulation over reality. They’ve realized that it’s all just a simulation up until they die, in which case the simulation erases the dwellers memory and makes them begin anew.

[John_Smith]

@Xevins

Does anyone know the canon status of this author’s work?

Tl;dr, nope. Sometimes Bethesda incorporates MK’s non-licensed writings, sometimes they ignore him. XD

[Xevins]

@Tarvaax

in which case the simulation erases the dwellers memory and makes them begin anew.

Or we can believe Bethesda propaganda and say the player characters are Shezzarines.

[Tarvaax]

@Xevins

Or we can believe Bethesda propaganda and say the player characters are Shezzarines.

Man, the Nerevarine was a fool then. He could have taken that heart and tried to regain divinity and manifest himself as Lorkhan. But naw, let’s destroy it instead.

[boehmond]

@Tarvaax

Man, the Nerevarine was a fool then. He could have taken that heart and tried to regain divinity and manifest himself as Lorkhan. But naw, let’s destroy it instead.

Ya, I think it’s pretty much safe to say the Nerevarine wasn’t a Shezzarine.

EDIT: Wow, that’s kind of a tongue twister. "The nerevarine wasn’t a shezzarine.

[Xevins]

Well if we believe MK than almost all varieties of Talos, Shor, etc are Lorkhan avatars.

Not to mention other guys like both Underkings.

[Tarvaax]

I’d like to see Lorkhan rise back to power. Maybe that’s why the Daedra have such an interest in the mortal plane (something they should rationally despise). They don’t want Lorkhan coming back, he terrifies them. The Daedra aren’t all bad guys, but they’re all lazy and don’t want to actually put energy into creating anything with their power. Freeloader deities.

[boehmond]

Speaking of Lorkhan, was it ever actually revealed what happened to the Dwemer after they disappeared?

[Xevins]

@boehmond

Ya, I think it’s pretty much safe to say the Nerevarine wasn’t a Shezzarine.

It is also possible he didn’t know.

(also the exact connection between Shezzarines and Lorkhan is unknown).

I’m just speculating.

@Tarvaax

I’d like to see Lorkhan rise back to power.

The exact ramifications would be interesting. After all he has no clear cut motivations.

He is associated with everything from the DB to nordic chivallry.

At the same time though how do you follow up bringing him back?

A game that has him would be the perfect grounds for a “final” game. (bad as that sounds).

@boehmond

Speaking of Lorkhan, was it ever actually revealed what happened to the Dwemer after they disappeared?

Only that they are somewhere in oblivion.

Where though?

Only Lorkhan knows.

[John_Smith]

@boehmond

Speaking of Lorkhan, was it ever actually revealed what happened to the Dwemer after they disappeared?

A lot of people seem to think they essentially merged into one consciousness, or a hivemind, housed in the original Numidium. But since that was destroyed, yeah, it/they’re stuck out there in Oblivion somewhere.