BIONICLE G1 Canon Contests Discussion & Questions

sunkenave · May 5, 2020, 3:48am

in regards to mocing are tyres aloud?

Wolk · May 5, 2020, 6:52pm

No. The voting would have to occur first.

Underscore · May 5, 2020, 9:17pm

Does this apply to parts that originally had multiple colors, such as this?

Would a part like this need to be monochromatic, or can we color each section independently?

sunkenave · May 6, 2020, 9:49am

can tyres be used in the mocs to add more mass to parts? such as putting them over limb piece’s or no?

Gilahu · May 9, 2020, 1:37pm

Would it be allowed for someone to build a custom head design depicting an as of yet non-canon mask, upload it on the TTV Message Boards with a building tutorial and allow for it to be used by others for the contests?

Since this is basically no different from providing a 3D printed mask, that would be alright for heads/masks, right?

Kadator · May 10, 2020, 12:32pm

Please excuse me if some opinions have already been debated.

The idea of a canonization competition in the G1 is, I think, a source of excitement. From the comments this is also a lot of confusion and “problem”.

It is true, that shaping and designing cannon models will enrich the BIONICLE heritage and this after a whole decade !

However, some rules do not seem legitimate.
The age limit at 13? We all know that our first BIONICLE was not for some at 13 years old. Lehvak was mine, and I was only 8 years old … I had no idea that he would not be the last. And even less than this simple Bohrok was part of a huge story, where I still learn it every day !

13, means the birth of this child in the Mahri era. An 8-year-old child can very well create an OMC with the parts of his parents who lived in the G1 era. There is no need to understand a story to create characters with a description. Admittedly, this MOC will not be as finished as people with baggage from the start. But the BIONICLE community has always been for everyone.

Age may be due to people who are afraid, to find less finished MOC CANONS like in the books Dark Hunters and Rahi Beasts.
I am not without reminding you, that it is precisely THESE CREATIONS that make what is the G1. We have all been euphoric, trying to reconstruct these different MOCS with more or less ease. But BIONICLE G1 is it. Today, and I am extremely touched that the Grand Mata Nui that is Greg Farshtey, wants to continue adding content to the G1 …

So give me a good reason for the silhouette of Witch Doctor to join a Toa team. What? This set is a Hero Factory and not a Bionicle.
Obviously, but his parts are for my part too rounded unlike “G1 parts”. We all know that Hero Factory tried to be a replacement for this great History, but how can pieces that have never been shaped by the mask of Creation or the Great Beings be integrated into the old generation ?
Yes, Lego parts have evolved, I agree! Totally agree ! But finding a mask of a protector or the mask of a skull on an epaulet, does that really not just pose a spark of concern to anyone ?

For 10 years, all of us have all helped to create characters who have never looked better. A simple search on the internet is enough to give you what fans love most about these different creations. I could have, actually put more. But these different creations are very close in nature to the G1, with 95% of parts originating from this generation.

Toa Hagah : backgroundedited | 00dude00 | Flickr
Thank’s 00dudeoo !! The most sought after in MOCS are obviously yours !!

Toa Tuyet : http://board.ttvchannel.com/uploads/db5640/original/4X/6/4/6/646e2083927f17445e7f18f43cae49c5bf4028c6.jpg
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/6/6d/Tuyet_color_with_broad_broadsword.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=201711200930091
MOC : Toa Tuyet by vahki6 on DeviantArt

Toa Orde : Brickshelf Gallery - The only one male Toa of Psionics - leg design by Johnny-Dai
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/custombionicle/images/6/6c/Orde_Death_Burial_02.JPG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20130612151031

Toa Zaria : Invader39: Toa Zaria
Zaria: Toa of Iron | This creation is my personal take on To… | Flickr
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/custombionicle/images/f/f5/Zaria_8318_Saberedit.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20200306080120
Brickshelf Gallery - Toa of Iron

Toa Nidhiki : Bionicle MOC: Toa Nidhiki
Toa Nidhiki | The disgraced Toa Mangai of Air and noted arac… | Flickr
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/custombionicle/images/1/11/DSC4827.jpg/revision/latest?cb=201905250307081

Gold Skinned Being : this is certainly the most representative

This guy managed to merge thanks to the pieces of the different BIONICLE, missing more than a gold pattern https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/78330061-19e9-4a29-ad10-f2ca66ef022b/d7jmzat-4bd482f5-503a-4a30-b4d1-e944ee045a83.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNzgzMzAwNjEtMTllOS00YTI5LWFkMTAtZjJjYTY2ZWYwMjJiXC9kN2ptemF0LTRiZDQ4MmY1LTUwM2EtNGEzMC1iNGQxLWU5NDRlZTA0NWE4My5qcGcifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.JKnTYFj2W034roJWStfLYn7rgPYHkRXpjcOtsC7H3fU
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I could even talk about other MOCS such as Kojol :
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/4/42/Kojol.jpg/revision/latest?cb=201709271334272 this MOC is a restoration of a competition and potentially taken for “canon”.
Or this one with a 3D mask : Kojol: Makuta of Artakha

In addition, speaking of 3D masks, the rule for impressions (something I do not practice), I find that it does not go in the direction of individual creativity. Like 00dudeoo who is one of the first and I have been since his creation of the Ignika, some masks have been “already” canonized for a long time by the fans. Why not canonize these different masks by another competition? And will therefore be admitted for the canon visual contest ?

Because on the mask level, there is something to debate, the Artakha mask has nothing to envy to the Mask of life due to its details : The Legendary Mask of Creation (YMZAR7FNU) by KhingK

So yes, actually I think like some members that “these contests” risk hurting the G1, not by the objective, but by the presence of this G2 that many have criticized within the community, and which however has taken precedence over the different creations.

These fan pages : https://www.deviantart.com/vahki6/art/MOC-Toa-Tuyet-8395701442 and https://www.deviantart.com/pugsnotdrugs43 takes up what the G1 is.

This is of majestic beauty : https://www.flickr.com/photos/140295314@N04/3 , but do fans really want a merger of the G1, Hero Factory and the G2? and mix that with Warhammer’s art of painting ?

Many have asked to give its nobility to the G1 … I want to be part of those who believe in it and who continued to create for it.

Edited for quintuple post- Prentice1215

ProfSrlojohn · May 10, 2020, 12:50pm

I can’t touch the other points, since I’m not qualified to do so, however, the thing I CAN deal with, is the age question.

The reason it’s 13 is because that’s the age you have to be to join this site. Why? It’s due to the very thing that was a factor of the debacle with Youtube last year, COPPA.

In order to comply with COPPA, a website has to define whether it is for people below, or above 13. If for below, then a website has to have various forms of security and safeties in place in order to protect children. However, this site doesn’t have those, and as such marks itself as not for children below 13. Therefore, children under 13 aren’t allowed on the site. (obviously there are fakers, but there isn’t much the site can do about that)

TL;DR The age limit isn’t because they don’t want children involved, it’s for legal reasons.

Krelikan · May 10, 2020, 5:02pm

I think what you said about wether or not people will want to merge G1 and G2 should be left up to the people right? Luckily for us it will be. We are the ones voting on the winner. If you don’t like a moc specifically because it has G2 or HF elements, then don’t vote for. If the vote is between one moc with G2 parts and one with only G1 parts then we will see if people want to merge generations or not.

Racie02 · May 10, 2020, 6:30pm

I’d also like to point out that this site being 13+ is the reason Greg can be here, which is what enabled these contests to happen.

Condraxis · May 11, 2020, 4:57am

I’m not a huge 3D part designer, but if anyone wants to use my current or future parts, they’re more than welcome to. (Nynrah’s Cache on shapeways).

Kadator · May 11, 2020, 3:52pm

Oh sorry, it is true that I had completely forgotten what concerns the protection of young people on the web …
This is a mistake on my part.

It is true that the vote will be what will tip the G1 / G2 / HF merger

Afterwards, I’m a fan of the entire universe of BIONICLE.
I have nothing against the G2, it’s just the canon term G1 with this mixture of parts … (we’ll see what the Great Spirit has in store for us, have faith ! )

Infrared · May 12, 2020, 8:31pm

Can people get feedback on MOCs and revise them before entering? It seems consistent with the spirit of the rules. That said, iirc BZP contests didn’t let people revise MOCs between originally posting them and submitting them as entries, so best to check first. Thank you!

JamesTKirk916 · May 12, 2020, 8:45pm

What exactly constitutes a breakdown photo?

Everox · May 14, 2020, 6:59pm

I see a problem with this system. If the winner of the MOC contest uses a 3D printed kanohi & custom weapons as depictions of the character, the illustrators and artists won’t get to even participate in the contest. I am correct in this assumption?

I think that it would be better for the second half of the contest to be open to ALL 3D-modellers and illustrators to design the masks and weapons of a character. It would allow the 3D modelers who have already made models of these masks to enter the contest personally, instead of having which 3D models get entered controlled by the MOCists. Plus some versions of Kanohi masks are more popular and will be entered by more people in the MOC contest, and give 3D modelers an unfair chance of getting their mask designs turned Canon. The MOC section of these contests shouldn’t have 3D prints involved at all. Shouldn’t the whole community get a say in what masks and weapons designs gets turned canon, separately from what the body design would look like?

ProfSrlojohn · May 14, 2020, 7:04pm

No, whatever mask the MOC uses is merely a placeholder.

So I could give Helryx Tarix’s helmet and it would have no bearing on the second half of the contest, as it’s only reason for existing is to keep the MOC from looking unfinished.

Or at least, that’s what I’ve been led to believe, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Everox · May 14, 2020, 7:08pm

That’s the case if they use a official lego piece for the mask, but if they use a 3D printed mask made by Galva, Vahki6, or others, would that cancel the entire second half of the contest?

ProfSrlojohn · May 14, 2020, 7:10pm

This may help answer the question better.

Basically, it won’t but the artists in question may decided to use the 3D printed mask that the MOCist used, or they may not. It’s up to their discretion.

Everox · May 14, 2020, 7:47pm

This seems overly complex to me. The art portion can be done with a 2D illustration or a 3D model. If that’s the case why even bother letting MOCists use 3D pieces if they don’t matter in the end results?

I think the solution is to only allow the 3D-modellers to participate in the second half of the contest instead, given the assumption the custom masks used by MOCists don’t matter because the Art Contest will decide it, not the MOC.

ProfSrlojohn · May 14, 2020, 7:49pm

Because other parts, like weapons do, they just kinda wanted to be all inclusive.

Again, ask the staff whenever they hop in, I’m just saying what I interpret, and should in no way be considered correct.

Krelikan · May 14, 2020, 11:37pm

I’m gonna add what I thought was happening. The winner of the moc portion of the contest will be what is drawn. The best drawing of the winning moc becomes it’s artwork for bso1. The Moc itself is not what will show up when you search Toa Helryx, It’ll be the artwork.