BIONICLE G1 Canon Contests Discussion & Questions

[Mechronus]

Ok I’m not argue for or against these arguements below, I’m just going to bring up quotes.

@Mechronus

Tuyet’s Mask is also recognized by both Nuju and Matoro:
“3. Why does Tuyet’s Kanohi look slightly familiar to Matoro? Was a description given to him in one of Nuju’s tales, perhaps?
3) Yes” Official Greg Discussion | Page 235

Can’t double post so I’ll add on to my old post.
Just ran into these quotes,

*"1) How come Matoro didn’t know about Tuyet? I mean she was his guardian for a long time.
2) When Makuta mentioned her name shouldn’t he have remembered about her like Sarda did?
3) How did Makuta know about Tuyet?
4) You told Gravitan that Nuju told Matoro about the Mo Intangibility, how come he didn’t tell him about Tuyet?

1. True, but don’t forget, when the Matoran woke up on Mata Nui, they had lost their memories of Metru Nui. All they know of Metru Nui is what Vakama told them in 2004-2005 storyline and what Matoro heard in councils. If they never discussed Tuyet on Mata Nui, Matoro would not know anything about her.
2. No. Amnesia patients don’t automatically remember things just because someone mentions something. Also, Sarda’s amnesia was caused by trauma — Matoro’s was caused by the Matoran pods Makuta forced the population of Metru Nui into.
3. Makuta was assigned to oversee Metru Nui for thousands of years.
4. Would you want to repeat that story, about a Toa who went evil and had to be hauled away, especially when speaking to Matoran who need to trust Toa?"*

greg.thegreatarchives.com

Official Greg Discussion | Page 235

Page 235 of Official Greg Discussion.

*" 1) Did Matoro know Tuyet when he lived on Metru Nui? I ask this because Matoro said she seemed familiar. “Half buried in rubble was a Kanohi Mask of Power, one who’s shape of which look vaguely familiar.”-Into the darkness chapter 2

1. Matoro was a Matoran there at the time, but his memories of Metru Nui, like those of all the Matoran, are vague at best."*
   Official Greg Dialogue | Page 6

As you can see above, Greg has stated that the Turaga didn’t tell the Matoran the story of Tuyet (and probably Nidhiki since the answer applies to him). This combined with Matoro being told about the Mask of Intangibility means Matoro was told of the mask, not Tuyet. This is backed up by the answer that Matoro wouldn’t know who she was, as all he was told was what the Turaga wanted to be known.

@Racie02

Maybe nitpicky, but i personally think it is supposed to be Matoro recognizing it as Toa armour. The line specifying it as Toa armour is right after a line that is definitely from Matoro’s perspective, and if it were just for the agudience benefit, Teridax states that it’s a Toa right afterwards, so it could have just said “bits of armour” if Matoro didn’t recognize it as Toa armour. At least, that’s how I read it.

I read it that way as well, which is why I came to my conclusion.

@Fritzkrieg

Maybe somewhere in Metru Nui there was some statue of the Toa Mangai. That would explain why it looked familiar. Just a thought.

Depends on if Dume tore down the Nidhiki and Tuyet statues after their betrayals. Seems pretty in character to me. Also probably not a good idea to have up statues of a Serial Killer and a Traitor if you want Toa to be trusted.

@TheJerminator

The fact that the Piraka thought the Nuva armour looked weird doesn’t really affect Matoro’s (supposed, but not really) recognition of it. The Toa Nuva were a unique type of Toa never seen by anyone outside of the Mata Nui Matoran, but Matoro was one of those Matoran. There’s no reason he wouldn’t recognize it while Reidak didn’t.

Of course, this ultimately doesn’t matter, since the quote was only referring to Matoro’s recognizance of the mask, not the armour.

(Plus, even if Matoro did recognize the armour, that doesn’t necessarily mean it was Nuva-style armour. If he recognized an old mask based on Nuju’s tales of the past, I don’t see why he couldn’t also recognize other styles of Toa armour)

Ok so this is analysis of current info, as you do have a point on the Redial thing.

The above quote is where stuff like Axonn, Sidorak, Kikanalo, Krekka, Norik, Teridax and Kualus using Nuva armor creates a Grey area.
Norik and Kualus got it as ceremonial armor so it has to have existed before that point as Toa armor. As pointed out in the above discussion, stuff like Nui Jaga stingers as armor show that pieces used on Toa and non Toa don’t mean its the same thing. Like Teridax doesn’t have 2 Avokiis for hands.
Now the Matoro recognizing it and Reidak not is a question of how widespread the armor was.

Now take everything I said above and throw in into the Great Furnace, as Reidak was in the same room as the Toa Mangai. I honestly forgot he was there but he was. So that basically means he either didn’t see Tuyet or the armor isn’t Nuva.

I now have to go completely redesign my Tuyet entry and pray that the contest doesn’t start for a month or 2.

However, there is one last thing I want to say. Ruling out all other options, this makes me personally think Tuyet has armor similar to Lesovikk or Jovan. Just to reiterate, in my opinion. Not saying you have to agree or mandate it, just what I’ve personally gotten from eliminating other options.