just for the record that is a really cool moc, and i look forward to voting for it in 2045 or whenever that happens
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Yeah Iām not gonna pretend Iām not. Iām SUPER excited to finally see Nidhiki in his full Toa glory. Hopefully I have made a Nidhiki that the community likes but if not, I just hope the winning entry is incredibly well thought out and tries to stick with the known lore. Even if it isnāt, Iāll still probably be ok with it.
I used to think a Metru build was the way to go, but working on a custom body Tuyet and Dume really made me rethink my stance.
Now I really hope a non-Metru build wins, as thereās so many ideas and ways to build a Nidhiki that looks incredible and still fits with Lhikan while not using the Metru torso.
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I was responding to you. At the very least, I assumed you knew the context for probably why the Helryx MOC Finals were high, which isnāt unwarranted, yes?
There is a decrease (whether you want to call it slight or not, not sure why you wouldnāt, though). Whether those issues are the reason why thereās a decrease is simply conjecture. I wasnāt ignoring context, I was simply interpreting the data as it was and didnāt say anything more to not accidently go beyond what the data alone suggests.
If instead of asking:
Had I just assumed it was because the Hagah had issues, that would be putting bias on the data.
Again, Iām probably misunderstanding, but wouldnāt that suggest the contest voter participation shouldāve been higher than that of the MoD survey? If thatās case, that doesnāt at all explain why MoD is much higher.
You have to see my point of view. I spent time to create these charts during my free time, presented them as objectively as possible, and the response has been āyouāre ignoring context,ā which isnāt helpful.
By ādonāt ignore context,ā you mean simply chalk up the decrease from the Hagah to its issues, but without anything to prove that, its an assumption. So do I not ignore context, or not assume?
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Weāre not having a private conversation. Itās very public, and leaving these conclusions uncontested leaves the great deal of spectators and possible participants to come to those same conclusions, and then the reality of the situation gets out of hand. Every time we engage in a conversation like this, it has to be kept in mind.
Again, as I said earlier, MoDās survey is much simpler and easier to respond to than a Boards poll. And my point in mentioning views was that despite the video we made getting around 2k views by the end of the survey, it still only got slightly less or half of that in legitimate responses. Meanwhile, contests have had either a relatively consistent turnout since the initial survey to start the contests on the boards, or a higher one.
I see your point of view, itās what weāve been doing for the last two years. Running these in our free time and even trying to when we arenāt free. And itās been very stressful, and weāve had data be interpreted without considering additional context used to paint us and situations in a poor light. I appreciate the work you did, but Iām just trying to make some things clear before itās misunderstood, misinterpreted, or misused.
Youāre taking one part of my post to use it to respond to another part of my post addressing something entirely different, and/or to make some sort of point to discredit what Iām saying. This is exhausting.
Iām not sure what youāre looking for here at this point, but I donāt really have anything else to address at this time.
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Donāt take this to mean Iām necessarily arguing against or trying to disprove a point, but I always try to point out potential logical faults when possible.
Is MoDās survey really easier to respond to than a Boards poll? It had several questions that required careful reading and fill in the blank responses for some portions. A poll ā especially one in the vein of āContinue contest?ā ā generally has between 1-3 questions and likewise only ever requires ticking a box to indicate oneās preference.
Regarding the video getting 2k views versus the survey getting 1k responses (and it should be noted, it did get 2k responses when you include illegitimate responses, which werenāt all necessarily duplicates but also just troll answers), it should be taken into account that YouTube counts total views, not just unique viewers. I personally accessed the video numerous times, and others will without a doubt concur with me. It may even be fair to say that the video only received about half as many unique views as it did overall views.
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Also with regards to the MOD poll, that was highly publicized throughout the community, especially on the Discord end. Unless Iām mistaken, TTVās main Discord presence is Patreon-only. I think that the other community institutions like Mask of Destiny and BS01 need to put as much work into the promotion of the contests as they did into the promotion of the contest poll, and that would significantly increase retention.
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Agreed there, especially on the BS01 front given theyāre the other driving force in the fandom that provides legitimacy to the contests.
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Iāve pitched a āpolls open! vote now!ā banner to BS01 before, but Iām not sure if it will be implemented. Itās not exactly something I can sandbox.
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There were 10 questions, with the last 3 being custom responses. All polls/surveys/etc require careful reading - it doesnāt mean it always happens.
Additionally, I donāt believe any of the options (certainly not the open ended ones) required a response, which is something we thought could have been an improvement for responses data if that was switched on.
They state here that they got 1068 total responses, and they determined 983 of those to be legitimate.
Here are the view analytics during the runtime of the poll:
And before āReturning Viewersā is questioned, this is how YouTube distinguishes it (Note, I was hovering over one day out of this time-frame. This shows the number for a single day, not the duration I selected):
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I stand corrected on all counts. Thanks for clarifying.
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Looking at the concerns about Marendar contestā¦
Iām suddenly curious. Which contest list would people be most interested in?
At leastā¦ What Iām not interested in the most is GSB, and what Iām most interested in is Lariska.
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I think Iām in an interesting position for the GSB contest, I think thereās a p good amount of directions you could take the character.
First you have the combiner route (painted gold ofc); Iāve seen some people come up with pretty dope designs made out of the ~dozen sets that make up the character in lore.
Then thereās the CCBS angle; GSB is known for his, uhh, skin. CCBS shells are known for being smooth. those smooth shells could emulate skin pretty well, giving him a truly alien look. Add onto that the fact that we have a large variety of shells in gold, and we could have a really cool design, thereās a bunch of ways you could take that kinda design.
And then of course thereve been talks of GSB being a free for all contest; digital art pieces have a unique advantage in this contest seeing as the organic look drawings can capture is much more realistic than a moc.
Thereās just a bunch of different ways I could see the contest panning out.
For what Iām most excited for? Probably Lariska. I want to see how people create a new species in the bonk canon.
Least excited for? Idk probably Varian. She just feels like an honorary Hagah to me; I canāt really see her being made any way other than a Metru build. Im kinda done with Metru builds after the Hagah contest, so Iām not looking forward to Varian too much. Though idk, maybe weāll get something mindblowing; weāll never see unless we try.
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After the GSB contest, Brutaka and Irnakk price are expected to be terribly expensiveā¦
The results of the Varian Contest are really likely to be similar the hagah, but I hope there will be a creative build.
and Iām a little worried about the Marenda contest, too.
Since marendar is the character with the greatest difference in interpretation as it is the most free, it is expected that there will be more people who do not accept the result as a canon compared to other contest
agree, Thatās why the Lariska contest will be quite fierce.
Iāve already tried a few
well, I think itās not bad
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Oh bro, totally. But thatās an issue with all of these contests unfortunately. Idk if thatās enough of a reason for me to throw my hat in the cancellation ring just yet though. Iād be down for a vote though, if enough people donāt want it, so be it. I just disagree with the stance that some people have when they say that you wouldnāt be able to do anything good with a GSB moc.
Like me personally, my vision heavily uses CCBS shells for his skin, only using bonk pieces for some sparse armor to cover his pelvis and maybe one of his shoulders. Heās gonna be roided out, Olympia style. Tbh Iām probably gonna make a GSB moc whether we have a contest for him or not, Iām just having fun thinking of how to moc him.
Oh wait, your the dude behind bird-lady Lariska? Nice bro, I really like the shaping on your Lariskaās head and those faux digitigrade legs. Gives her a nice avian look we havenāt seen in canon before (unless you wanna count airwatcher.) Yours is definitely one of my favorite designs Iāve seen so far.
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Iām already braced to not like the winner. Much of the community seems to want to make him a gun-sword-monster without putting much thought into why heās named āsalvation.ā
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If I ever make a Marendar, Iāll try to fulfill the requirement of āsalvation.ā
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The interesting thing about Marendar is when he was created. What style of Toa was he created to destroy? This might influence the kind of aesthetic heās built with.
Personally Iām thinking of a Marendar thatās a cross between the Agori, early Toa like Helryx and (maybe) the Baterra. Along with this, Iām thinking Black and Gold, as itās a cross between both light and darkness, as well as a similar color scheme to Umbra.
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Always felt like he should look more rugged, designed less for aesthetic than for the purpose of destroying Toa. I donāt think he should necessarily be a gun-sword-monster, but we have āpatriot missilesā that donāt look like they embody the concept of āpatriotā (I mean I guess some people might think so?). Marendarās purpose was to āsaveā the Spherus Magnans from Toa, and its actions typify salvation more than its appearance necessarily might.
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Well, itās a while away at least, I for one am going to enter something contrary to the beefy gun festooned notion. I am thinking a Vitruvian Man, in that he is perfect and clean, the apex of GB design with callbacks to all that has come before. I think he would have no weapons, he himself being the weapon, maybe he is a dull grey or white but then takes on other colours when he mimics or matches his opponents attacks. To make him look bio-mechanical and alien I am going to try cover him in muscles of pneumatic hose with a maze pattern face perhaps. Thatās my take on him anyway 
It will be interesting seeing what people do bring to the table at that time.
Ohhh I like that reasoning!
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I think thatās a great idea, as Iāve never imagined Marendar to wield or have any kind of weapon, as he uses a different element or combo to counter each Toa he encounters. During combat his body glows with the element he currently is. This could be accomplished with the different hoses that exist in either translucent or solid colors. Maybe itās like one of those old ribbon cables:
With each color representing a different element, all wrapped around his body.
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