LEGO does. They have guides on what is considered illegal, but they have used illegal techniques in their sets before. That is why I specifically mentioned a stud in a pinhole, because they say its an illegal technique, but have used it themselves. It’s these debatable techniques I think are fine, but the clear cut ones, such as the one used in the winning Artakha, shouldn’t be allowed since they cause too much stress on the pieces. You mentioned putting a bushing in a socket. I have used this before, but not very often because of the stress it causes.
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Yes, so would that be allowed? That would cut down the entries of the Artakha contest by a lot. Heck, even the winning one spams it.
The illegal technique on WCP’s MOC might not be as illegal as you think, because those pieces were kinda made to be stressed. Which brings the question: another highly common technique is using tires for filler, and often they get stretched to fit in just the right positions. There would be more edge cases than could be counted, and it would just be another way to put more stress on the admins (no that wasn’t a pun).
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My point being, both of those lost. The community decided against them. Also I and many others really liked Gadunka’s moc, and had it won I would have accepted it despite it’s flaws. Regardless, there is difference between a bad faith meme entry and a really good entry with painted parts. Adding tons of rules to stifle good faith voting for things a lot of people genuinely like doesnt sit well with me.
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Woah hold on, gadunka’s artakha was in no way a bad faith entry
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I think bare minimum common sense we should have is no build that damages are part intentionally. I’m aware that some builds have done it but a lot of our parts are becoming less replaceable with authentics and damaging parts is definitely a no bueno to me
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By “damage” do you mean “puts stress on”? If so that leads me back to my previous point: where is the line drawn?
If you mean literally damaged, that’s already against the rules.
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Yes stress is a form of damage
Neither of those are illegal. The first was used on Wairuha, the second is in too many sets to count. Off the top of my head 70705 Bug Obliterator has a red stud on the front of the cockpit in a pin hole.
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I thought I was clear, that techniques that put too much stress on the pieces shouldn’t be allowed, and I said a bushing in a socket causes stress. So no, I don’t think it should be allowed.
But both came second overall, so were very close to winning. I’m glad neither one did personally, but they were very close, and if they did, a lot of people in the community wouldn’t have accepted that, including myself.
I didn’t say it was. Sabretooth made the point that a limit on painted pieces shouldn’t be necessary because the community would know not to vote on entries that use too much. By that logic, Rule 11 shouldn’t be necessary because the community should be able to know not to vote on bad faith entries, but that’s been proven wrong.
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If a large portion of the community legitimately wants a highly painted entry, then so be it, that’s democracy. As long as the entry is still clearly in good faith, I don’t think anything’s wrong with it. ■■■■■■■ was meant as a joke, and only a small fraction of it’s supporters genuinely liked it. Most were just trying to undermine the contests, meme, or annoy people.
Edit: Why is Bendy censored now?
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Like you said, that’s democracy.
So you propose that a major chunk of entered MOCs so far should have been disqualified?
My previous points still stand.
They technically are (the second one only by a tiny amount). But try the first one yourself. Don’t just put the bushing in the socket - insert an axle through it. It 100% needs to be forced in. It’s supported by both facts and math (if you’re willing to go to the work, scroll up to find the discussion that already took place on this topic).
Again, what is “too much stress”?
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I drew a distinction between good and bad faith though, it isn’t black and white. Also, Bendy fairly lost anyway.
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It’s less the community as a whole, and more inflammatory external parties, many of which, thankfully, shut up this contest and stayed away - regarding rule 11. I think a refinement on the painted pieces and modification rule needs to be implemented. Again, Gadunka’s moc was in no way bad faith and it being painted was fine. But others got DQ’d for minor paint things like blue runes and a grey mask which wasn’t really fair. Either restrict paint more, or loosen up the loophole restrictions.
-Sol
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30% of the people voted to not have a canon contest to begin with, which happens to be the same % that voted for that joke helryx. Call it a collaborative effort by the people that didn’t want this contest at all.
Gadunka’s artakha lost fair and square. People didn’t like the fact that there wasn’t enough green or that it was spray painted at all, so people voted accordingly.
If you ask me, the new voting system and rule 11 makes it so there can’t be a dumb joke entry or anything disruptive. People will vote for what they want, and that means if they don’t want a spray painted moc, they’ll vote around it
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That doesn’t mean it puts any less stress on the piece. (oh hey 1700)
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Agreed. Hose was an effort drummed up by some really volatile elements that didn’t want the contest, wanted to completely undermine TTV, and turn what they didn’t want into a sham and a joke. Rule 11 allows the moderators to make on the fly decisions. They don’t necessarily have to DQ something before it goes into voting. If there is a notion that those same individuals or those like them are ganging up on an entry to disrupt the contests, they have the ability to chuck it out at any point of the contest and voting period.
-Sol
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It doesn’t matter Bendy lost, it matters that it got too close. Also, don’t you see the contradiction is saying “if a large portion of the community legitimately wants a highly painted entry, then so be it, that’s democracy” and “most were just trying to undermine the contests, meme, or annoy people”. It doesn’t matter why they voted for it, only that they did. Whether they wanted it so that it actually becomes canon, or just out of spite, they still wanted it and voted for it. Not much of a distinction to be made.
I’m saying grossly illegal techniques shouldn’t be allowed. Whether the entries choose to use those techniques is up to them.
Anything that causes the pieces to break fairly quickly. Don’t know why you need a definition of it.
Like I said before, LEGO has used illegal techniques before, but that doesn’t mean its perfectly legal and stress free. Again, Charger’s build was made into canon even though it uses cut Tahu Nuva blades, yet I think we all agree on not allowing cut pieces.
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We get to judge what is or isn’t acceptable. I’m giving my feedback and hoping others can agree. I think stressing pieces is stupid and ridiculous illegal builds lack integrity. Thats just my opinion. I just respect Artakha winning but I dislike the build even though I can see its impressive portions as well.