POLL: BIONICLE G1 Canonization Contests?

[Eljay]

@ajtazt

Very quick to take things out of context and jump to defend against something not even postulated. If the train was on such tracks, there is a chance it could go there, but the train is not on those tracks, nor is it the same train. Nothing that has been stated up until this point that has in any way indicated past works created by Greg while still under authority from Lego are invalid.

We’re gonna come back to this in a second.

@ajtazt

Perhaps read the definitions again and the line is very clearly defined.

I read them. I am now asking for their source. Who has determined these definitions?

@ajtazt

The last of any delegated authority that Greg was given by Lego over Bionicle was to answer fan questions on the Lego Message Boards. It is perfectly in question to wonder if he still even has that authority with the LMBs discontinuation. Chances are likely, given Greg would ask Lego before coming over here.

Who is this “LEGO” you speak of? LEGO is (as Var has already said) a company, a group of people, individuals. Individuals that make decisions not overseen by a singular “LEGO.” So I’ll ask the same question - If not Greg, who?

Additionally, let’s do a quick refresh on his position in the company:

@ajtazt

Yes, he was temporarily granted permission by Lego to continue the story through serials on Bioniclestory.com, but that has since changed with the site being shut down. As Greg himself has stated on various different occasions, even now, he would not publish something in relation to Bionicle without Lego’s permission, consent, and blessing. Lego, not Greg, is the only real authority as to what is and is not canon as they are the creator/owner of the IP. The only times Greg has any official capacity over canon is when Lego delegates such to him.

Let’s bring the exact quote into question here.

@RealGregF

The problem remains the same, Ocbeth. For me to write anything new for BIONICLE, LEGO Company would have to okay my doing it and someone would have to be available to do approvals of what I wrote. I don’t think they will devote resources to that when the line is not active. On a side note, I would not be able to create any new characters because there would be no budget to get legal checks of names done.

Approvals of what he wrote. There are no propositions for writing contests. And in the past, there were no other people signing off on visual designs in regards to fan contests aside from Mr. Farshtey himself.

@ajtazt

Tommy Andreason is to be treated no differently than Greg. Or rather, even less as Greg was given permission to give answers to such questions. Anything Tommy has done falls outside of delegated responsibilities and would be considered as Headcanon/Unofficial Material.

Tommy Andreasen is a concept developer. Greg even said on my Show that Tommy can basically canonize things by himself. And again, I must sincerely stress, these individuals both actively work for LEGO and have for roughly 20 years.

@ajtazt

And that anything said by former representatives of a dissolved line or even current representatives of an active line do not get to dictate canon unless otherwise given such authority to do so.

Neither of these people are former representatives. They are active representatives for the company entirely and their jurisdiction, which includes the themes they heavily worked on.

@ajtazt

Ultimately, the problem with canonizations contests is the arrogance of the fans thinking they can control what they do not own.

I agree, however I’m not seeing that from the people in support of these contests. The deciding factor here is Greg Farshtey, the fan contests would just forward their pick to be decided on.

@ajtazt

Very quick to take things out of context and jump to defend against something not even postulated. If the train was on such tracks, there is a chance it could go there, but the train is not on those tracks, nor is it the same train. Nothing that has been stated up until this point that has in any way indicated past works created by Greg while still under authority from Lego are invalid.

Back to this. It’s really hard to take anything out of context here when these quotes can be jumped back up to. Additionally, nothing you said has been taken out of context. Your argument thus far has been to decry the legitimacy of Greg Farshtey as a source for BIONICLE canon, which leads us to questioning a slew of information over the years. The reason I point this out is because Greg Farshtey is still acting under authority of LEGO. He is representing the company. I’d agree with you if he weren’t, but he still is. LEGO permitted him to be here and act in official capacity.

Where do you believe you were taken out of context here? Or am I misunderstanding your point of view?

@ajtazt

It’s also in my first post as well. Typically speaking, as far as a court would be concerned, Lego is a singular entity, an individual. While in actuality, yes, it is composed of many people, but Lego itself would be the one held accountable in court. But since they aren’t physically a singular person, they would have representatives in their stead to defend themselves (or make decisions in this case). Therefore, Lego still hold authority over Bionicle canon. It’s Lego, because the people within can change, but the entity that holds that authority, Lego, ultimately does not.

Hang on, I say this mostly in jest but I have to know. If I can get the official LEGO Twitter account to say that Greg Farshtey has full authority to dictate BIONICLE G1 canon, is that all we need here? Or do we need a blood relative of the founder of the company to sign off on it? What’s the bar here?

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Quick aside, but @Husk, your english is excellent. I would not have guessed you did not speak it as a first language.