Potent element/Kanohi/weapon combos?

[N01InParticular]

Assuming all of them weren’t killed by Gorast for even Considering retreat/rescue.

[TheJerminator]

Ehh… She realized at the end that they had been played. I think the only thing she would have fought the Toa for would be for them to let her die.

[Jathru_Cranli]

@SirKeksalot

@Takutanuva

Thats pretty stupid. Toa aren’t suppose to kill their foes

@SirKeksalot

assuming the user is a Toa and gets to use lethal force.

This is about practical combat implications and not the Toa Code. Toa are also allowed to kill targets if it’s necessary based on the Code.

Also, I believe that Greg has said that toa were allowed to kill when fighting in the Toa - Dark Hunter War. I believe he said they viewed it like we the in real world view stopping street crime vs. military combat.

@SirKeksalot

@Toa-of-Snow

The Toa Nuva just… didn’t save the Makuta

Now you’ve gotten into the trolley problem. Inaction is still action when active action is a choice.

I believe the argument would be that nothing could be done (at least the way Tahu reasoned it). That being said, no one’s really gonna mourn them. (Cue the Matoran of the Tren Krom Peninsula singing a parody of Ding Dong, The Wicked Witch Is Dead. )

[TheJerminator]

Here’s an interesting one I just thought of:

Brain signals are just electronic signals, right? So if a Toa of Psionics wore a Mask of Lightning, or vice versa, would the Psionics ability be boosted by the Lightning ability?

It wouldn’t necessarily give any new powers, but it could increase the Toa’s control over Psionics to above-average levels.

Not very useful in combat (especially since you would also be giving up a separate Kanohi power), but it could have its uses.

[Takutanuva]

Mask of density control on a Toa of Air… use your element and Kanohi to boost yourself to great heights, you can either choose to unleash your powers from above like a cyclone god, or drop yourself with enough weight to shatter and crack the earth, sending shockwaves that’ll obliterate everyone.

[Toa-of-Snow]

@TheJerminator

Brain signals are just electronic signals, right? So if a Toa of Psionics wore a Mask of Lightning, or vice versa, would the Psionics ability be boosted by the Lightning ability?

This depends on how brains in the MU actually work, though. It’d be true if they functioned similarly to ours.

@Racie02

Also, I think another key difference: the toa. Nuva feel their actions were justified, while Zaria fells guilty about what he did.

This only occurred to me re-reading this recently, but I actually imagine the reason rumor spread about Zaria (and not the Nuva) is that it kind of sounds like he was alone when it happened.

It’s one thing for a famous, respected team of Toa to unanimously agree “There was no other way”, but it’s a different matter entirely to kill someone in isolation and then claim it was necessary when someone asks you. You’ve got no witnesses to justify your innocence.

[TheJerminator]

@Toa-of-Snow

(and not the Nuva)

Do we know that there weren’t any rumours about the Nuva?

We probably wouldn’t have seen anything about it in the preceding story (what with Teridax taking over the Universe and whatnot), but now that everyone’s calmed down (mostly) on Spherus Magna, I feel like people are going to start asking questions.

[Jathru_Cranli]

@Toa-of-Snow

@TheJerminator

Brain signals are just electronic signals, right? So if a Toa of Psionics wore a Mask of Lightning, or vice versa, would the Psionics ability be boosted by the Lightning ability?

This depends on how brains in the MU actually work, though. It’d be true if they functioned similarly to ours.

Not to mention, Psionics itself, while being powers that affect the brain, might not actually be electrical in nature.
Think about it:

Do we see chain lightning jumping from Orde’s or Kongu Inika’s heads to the heads of those they’re mind-reading? Do we see electricity jumping from Orde or Nuju to something they’re using telekinesis on?

Also, isn’t every Toa’s element mentally controlled?

@TheJerminator

@Toa-of-Snow

(and not the Nuva)

Do we know that there weren’t any rumours about the Nuva?

We probably wouldn’t have seen anything about it in the preceding story (what with Teridax taking over the Universe and whatnot), but now that everyone’s calmed down (mostly) on Spherus Magna, I feel like people are going to start asking questions.

Cue a musical number about Metru Nui reopening its Sea Gates for the “First Timein Forever/The Time Before Time,” but the antisocial Kopaka isn’t thrilled at thee prospect of yet. even more beings flooding into the city.

[Winger]

@Jathru_Cranli

Not to mention, Psionics itself, while being powers that affect the brain, might not actually be electrical in nature.
Think about it:

Do we see chain lightning jumping from Orde’s or Kongu Inika’s heads to the heads of those they’re mind-reading? Do we see electricity jumping from Orde or Nuju to something they’re using telekinesis on?

Also, isn’t every Toa’s element mentally controlled?

tbh I don’t think the writers thought that deeply into it - my guess is that it was more like “Oh, we can have some that control lightning, and some that have like telekinesis and mind-reading!”

[TheJerminator]

@Toa-of-Snow

This depends on how brains in the MU actually work, though

We know that they work the same as Spherus Magna brains; Orde was able to use his power on Kabrua, and Annona was able to use her power on some Skakdi. And it seems like a reasonable assumption to say that Spherus Magnan brains work the same as ours, since they are organic and mammalian.

Additionally, Eliminator was able to fry brains with electricity.

@Jathru_Cranli

Do we see chain lightning jumping from Orde’s or Kongu Inika’s heads to the heads of those they’re mind-reading?

Why would Kongu need to electrify something just to detect electrical signals?

@Jathru_Cranli

Do we see electricity jumping from Orde or Nuju to something they’re using telekinesis on?

While that is a power of Psionics Toa, it wouldn’t really apply to this situation, since you aren’t detecting or altering brain patterns.

@Jathru_Cranli

Also, isn’t every Toa’s element mentally controlled?

What does that have to do with this?

[Jathru_Cranli]

@TheJerminator

@Jathru_Cranli

Do we see chain lightning jumping from Orde’s or Kongu Inika’s heads to the heads of those they’re mind-reading?

Why would Kongu need to electrify something just to detect electrical signals?

@Jathru_Cranli

Do we see electricity jumping from Orde or Nuju to something they’re using telekinesis on?

While that is a power of Psionics Toa, it wouldn’t really apply to this situation, since you aren’t detecting or altering brain patterns.

@Jathru_Cranli

Also, isn’t every Toa’s element mentally controlled?

What does that have to do with this?

What I’m asking is “How would Lightning powers amplify Psionics if the power of Psionics (as we’ve seen it work in-story), don’t appear to involve shooting electricity to do what it does?”

[Winger]

so why exactly are we trying to use science to explain or come up with ideas for a world that defies literally everything we known about science?

[TheJerminator]

Psionics doesn’t involve “shooting” electricity, but it (maybe) involves the sensing and manipulation of electric signals, which are both abilities also granted to Toa of Lightning, albeit on a much larger and less sensitive scale.

[Takutanuva]

The Kakama on a Toa of sonics. Break the sound barrier as you run and blast people as you run by them.

[TheJerminator]

You could probably get some pretty wacky combos between Toa of Magnetism, Lightning, and Iron.

That would be a ridiculous Kaita.

[TheJerminator]

I’ve been thinking a lot about the Kanohi Mohtrek recently, and I realized that a Mohtrek/Olmak combo would be extremely useful, since it would effectively let you quicksave any point in time you want, allowing you to “restart” if whatever you’re about to do goes wrong (and with virtually no consequences).

First, you would use the Mohtrek to summon a past version of yourself from just a few seconds, and then kill them. This would be easy, since the version of yourself from a few seconds ago should be aware of, and okay with, your plan. This causes the creation of an alternate universe that branches from your current universe just a few seconds ago.

Now, if whatever you’re about to do goes wrong, you simply use the Olmak (or another form of dimensional travel, if you have it) to jump to that alternate universe without any of the hassle that usually comes with starting over in a new dimension; the timeline was split extremely recently, so there shouldn’t be any relevant changes in events, and the version of yourself in that universe is already dead (and recently, too).

(Now, that being said, obtaining both a Mohtrek and an Olmak is probably easier said than done, but still)

[Rukah]

now that would be interesting

[Rennova]

I can’t help but want to suggest air and a pinwheel axe because then you could use the air to force the blades to spin as fast as you would like for max possible damage.

[DuneToa]

Cordak blaster, mohtrek, and Olmak. You summon every version of yourself into the prime universe, flee, and let your enemies face a million of yourself. Then take all of your clone’s’ possessions, and go back and send them to their universes. Get rich fast.

[Racie02]

@TheJerminator

First, you would use the Mohtrek to summon a past version of yourself from just a few seconds, and then kill them.

And then you would die, because if a past version dies the present version dies as well.