Star Wars Topic

[Ghid]

@ajtazt

it is the only time you were my supposed master.

So they didn’t find out about the other times, huh…

@ajtazt

The RP wasn’t a game on here either. Somewhere else.

I didn’t realize my criminality extended beyond the confines of the forum. Time for you to run a hit on millionairematch.com and truly see how many accountants are actually single (all of them )

mods please understand this is a haha funny teehee I do not actually wish to interrupt all those accountants’ sad days of drinking alone in a hotel bathroom with madonna on the radio

@ajtazt

For this instance, any answer will do since it’s a personal judgement for each person. If the financial status of the thing in question should matter to their enjoyment or consumption of it, then very well. A reason (or reasons) would be nice but not required.

I think it’s more the state of the source material. Tolkien is dead, he bequeathed nobody with the authority to continue the story or decide what is and isn’t official. Lucas sold the right to determine the canonicity of additional content to the house of mouse.

Now legally it’s a matter of who gets the licensing rights, but from a fan perspective there’s a level of authority that comes with it, I feel. Bionicle fan projects are generally well-received and frequently requested because the story is done; nobody’s selling any Bionicle product because LEGO would grind their entire families into meal for the ABS-excreting creature they keep locked under the LEGO house, so it’s all completely free and affects nothing since none of it is official. It’s either enjoy it or don’t.

Star Wars is a continually expanding product, meaning Disney is constantly adding things to it - and anything they add is Star Wars whether anyone likes it or not. Sure, people can (and I already have) shut off any connection between the original trilogy and the later material, or the original saga and the Disney films, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist and aren’t part of the official story. It just means I choose what I care about.

It’s also why I don’t give two teal Mirus about Myths & Legacy’s quite hammy story continuation serials overseen by Greg Farshtey. The power to choose what is and isn’t Bionicle resides with LEGO and only extended to Greg due to his managing the story, making the new serials wish fulfillment fanfic glittered up with the big man’s name on the cover.

My point here is that IP ownership extends to more than just what can and can’t be sold, but also to how people interpret the material itself. People (generally) honor original authorship, or whoever got the author to hand over the keys, to determine what is and isn’t the thing they attach the name to.

@ajtazt

Enjoying a product or being a fan of it due to the product itself being successful financially?

I agree, that’s a bit silly. But wanting a product you care about to do well so it continues to exist is what TheWimpyKid was driving at, and to that I have to retort with financial success at any cost is not a viable goal. If the company takes a good product and makes it worse, it should take a financial hit to realize it made the product worse and course-correct.

Unfortunately for Disney, due to the hype train and probably a lot of wishful thinking, that slap on the wrist didn’t come about until nearly a decade later, where there’s been so much more damage in the meantime it might be too late to buy back the good will of the general public by making Drive starring Ryan Gosling but in Star Wars.

@ajtazt

I’ll have you know I’ve been working up a legal case to take Hero Factory away from the LEGO Group for years.

I need my legally distinct Heroic Assembly Line action figures of Billy Furnace and Presto Storm

@ajtazt

I forget which one, but one of George Washington’s biographers wanted to sell more copies of his book. So he made a second edition and advertised that it had more content. Because he made up the cherry tree story and it was taken as fact for ages.

The story of him not telling a lie was a lie

@ajtazt

I’m told it got good later, but I’m sorry, the spinning General Grievous lightsaber toy being made into a canon lightsaber that also helicopters people away was a bit much for me.

More and more people are looking back at The Clone Wars and realizing it was not nearly as good as they previously thought it was… And TFA is receiving the same treatment as the cope begins to clear. I wonder how many more of Star Wars’s recent projects will be looked back on unfavorably in the near future

[Racie02]

@Chronicler

I am adamant, however, that IPs should die

I would argue that it’s not that IPs should die, but that Disney should die stories should end.

To use the MCU as an example: the story of Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Black Widow, Bruce Banner, and of course our villain Thanos, all came to a conclusion with Endgame. That doesn’t mean new stories can’t be told, but they’re about new characters like Spider-man, legacy characters like Falcon as Captain America, or characters whose arc isn’t finished like thor. (Yeah, they suck, but that’s because disney can’t write good stories anymore, not because the continuations themselves are bad)

What’s bad is when a continuation ruins the ending of a story. Lloyd has an arc about about becoming a sensei, but he can’t actually do that, because that would mean Wu would have to retire. Peter Parker marries MJ and has a happy ending, but we can’t do that because that would mean no more Spider Man. Batman can never actually defeat the Joker. Luke defeated the Emperor and his friends defeated the Empire, but the Sequel trilogy needs a villain, so the Empire is back and destroys the New Republic in a day so we can go back to the status quo of rebels vs. Empire, except now it’s called Resistance vs. First Order.

It’s not like you can’t tell a continuation of Star wars. Heck, it can even have luke, han, and leia. Unlike Endgame, where many of the og heroes died to defeat Thanos, the og crew from SW are still around.

Mandalorian, season 1 and 2, is a perfect example. A new story with a new hero and a plot that, while driven by a remnant of the Empire, is not the same Empire as the originals, it is only a remnant. Luke is used perfectly in this series, and his role doesn’t detract from his story or from mando’s. But because everyone likes baby Yoda, and because the sequel trilogy unfortunately exists and it does ruin Luke’s story, this perfect ending has to be undone by Mando season 2.5 aka Book of Boba Fett.

Heck, the Acolyte is another great example of what could be a good story, a story with the Jedi of old, long before obi-wan or Qui-gon or anakin (well, Yoda is around). It wasn’t a bad idea; it was just executed atrociously.

Point being: Star wars doesn’t need to end, Disney Star Wars needs to end. Okay, actual point: telling more stories in a world like the mcu, or SW, or even Jurrasic Park, isn’t bad. Telling new stories with old characters isn’t bad. But a story needs to end, a character arc needs a resolution. The sequel trilogy is bad because it tromps on the ending of the original story. Captain America New World Order is bad just because it’s badly written; Steve’s story is still finished. Mandalorian is good (until season 3).

[DuneToa]

Tbh, I do think that honestly they should stop trying to make Falcon the new Captain America because it just doesn’t work. That’s half of why those movies are bad, the fact that several of them are explicitly about characters trying (and failing from the start) to live up to the legacy of their predecessor (Ironheart is a great example of this with the theme of “The new Iron Man commits acts of terrorism and racially-motivated violence in order to explicitly let anyone - including terrorists like Killmonger - get an open-source powered armor”).

The fact that such a plot seriously got used as the basis of a TV show shows that Disney can’t even write a show after their best-written characters got killed off/finished their character arcs.

[Minethuselah]

@DuneToa

I do think that honestly they should stop trying to make Falcon the new Captain America because it just doesn’t work

The infamous “you gotta stop calling them terrorists” line… and, of course, their treatment of John Walker.

[Ghid]

@Racie02

but that Disney should die

@Chronicler

FREAKING BASED.

@DuneToa

The new Iron Man commits acts of terrorism

No no see DuneToa, it’s actually really great storytellling - in the first Iron Man, Tony was captured by terrorists, and now Ironheart becomes the terrorist. That way, she’s the exact opposite of Iron man in every way and embodies everything he became a hero to defeat.

…wait a second

[OraNui]

You’re right. Nothing pays greater tribute to your heroes than betraying their ideals.

[Time]

@Ghid

@Time

Stars. And Wars.

Count how many Star Wars movies have explicitly shown stars as an element of the story

Well, let us see. Hmm. A New Hope had Alec Guinness and Peter Cushing. Now, Empire Strikes Back had Billy Dee Williams, and Return of the Jedi had, well I suppose Carrie Fisher would have been considered pretty popular during that time. And the Prequels featured Liam Neeson.

[thewimpykid]

Well, the trailer for Mandalorian And Grogu dropped this week. And now…I mean, most of my earlier concerns still stand, but I think it looks fun. It doesn’t look particularly grand or epic, but at the same time, I don’t think it’s trying to be. It looks to be channeling the vibe of the first two seasons of the show-just a small-scale space adventure set in the Star Wars universe. And that’s okay. Not everything has to be grand and epic. Plus, despite the fact that I was against Grogu coming back to Mando after parting ways with him at the end of Season 2, I can’t deny that he’s a cute character. Unlike some people, I haven’t gotten tired of him.

…yet.

[Time]

If I must contribute to the madness of Baby-fying characters…so be it. The film’s successor is counting on it.

I simply must see how Star Wars: Starfighter is even realized.

Will it be a spiritual sequel to Night At The Museum?

Lettuce see.

[DuneToa]

I forgot about that fight in the meat freezer… that was honestly a fun scene.

[Chronicler]

Maul: Shadow Lord was actually really freaking good, particularly the ending. I always enjoy watching a character fall to the dark side. We need MORE of that in Star Wars fiction, particularly showing the twisted “heroism” of the sith occassionally.

[Leoxander]

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