I did say this guys 
seriously, I think thatâs where weâll get most of our world building
This will be awesome and I canât wait to get it.
But I do wish that the culture and such was more well rounded into the story verse just having a book that tells us. Like have animations of the villages, go more in depth in the rest of the media and not just one source.
Totally buying that book though!
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well there are âmaps and mythsâ in the graphic novel, so should be something else
feels like the graphic novels are really just meant for world building
my only gripe with that is that it shouldâve come out earlier in the year
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Thatâs what Iâm banking on to be the saving grace of everything G2. If it turns out to be what I think it will be, it will be the greatest thing aver.
For sure. Sometimes, I feel like I make myself perfectly clear, but I will admit that I get myself into the great majority of my own turmoil. Also, thanks! 
As I said in the episode, basic logic and deduction has been used for the last few months to determine where exactly the place is located. Donât get me wrong, clarification is great, and Iâm happy we got it (a fact which Iâm probably going to stress next episode), but it doesnât go towards filling my self-imposed landmark quota. 
-Mesonak
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well the book seems like itâll be good,
weâve also got Revenge of LoSS coming out afterwards, and another graphic novel coming out early next year, so at least next year will start off better 8P
I really wish this year would have started off with one ;-; as an artist, having a graphic novel would be cool to convey story IMO.
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I agree with that so much, maybe thatâs next year will start off with a graphic novel
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Oh yeah the book is great, no denying that, but I think the graphic novel (or the Protectorsâ Guide, at least) will end up providing all the necessary world-building that people are clamoring for without shoehorning it in and ruining the storytelling in the actual booksâŚ
âŚor, at least, thatâs my dream scenario.
-Mesonak
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yeah, that sounds great, and seems like it is most likely whatâll happen
itâs mine too man
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I think the reason why they released the book this late is because wave 2 is in the book. Its like releasing next years story now.
personally, if I was in charge, I wouldâve released a graphic novel first so we have all the world building from the get go
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i would have done the same but i would also split island of the lost masks into two parts:
Wave 1 and wave 2.
That way then i would release wave 1 early then wave 2 now
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yes, yes to all of that, maybe âIsland of Lost Masksâ and then âShadow of Kultaâ or something like that
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Were you not saying that inferring information doesnât count though? Does this point suddenly not matter when itâs in your favor?
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âDonât get me wrong, clarification is great, and Iâm happy we got itâ
Clarification is the preferred method over having to guess things yourself. Itâs a point in the books favor. However, Iâm saying the Temple of Timeâs location isnât some great and awe-inspiring revelation because most people already figured it out. Itâs still a reveal, but one without a lot of⌠power behind it. At least the Village thing was new information.
EDIT: I suppose a more fair way to look at this situation would be that the Temple of Time and the Village thing arenât outstandng infromation on their own, but put them together and theyâre pretty schway.
-Mesonak
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Yes but you refuted our points regarding the culture of Okoto because most of the details regarding said culture were inferred from the context of the information being delivered. Your claim was that they didnât count because none of the info was stated outright, however now it seems that that despite the location of the Temple of Time being inferred- that now counts as actual information?
Suddenly the concrete and legitimate details being presented are no longer relevant or meaningful⌠because some fans guessed where it might be located before?
Itâs just funny how convenient this whole âclarification is necessary!â argument is for you. On one hand, LEGO needs to outright say what they mean, but on the other itâs perfectly okay if they donât.
You seem to rank everything under whether it left a good impression on you or not, which isnât a fair way to assess the information being presented- at least not in the arguments youâre trying to make.
Itâs one thing to make the claim that the culture thatâs been presented thus far hasnât been significant- but itâs a completely different thing to deny itâs existence entirely. The fact of the matter is that we know more about life on Okoto in just a few pages from this book then we did prior to itâs release. Regardless of itâs impact on you- itâs still incite on the culture.
But since itâs not exactly what youâre looking for youâre denying the fact that itâs culture entirely; which simply isnât true. Just as you are doing for the landmarks of Okoto.
The information doesnât have to be surprising, extraordinary, or even interesting for it to count as incite. We can infer that the Villagers of Okoto have some form of hierarchy based off the fact that there appear to be positions of power in place: The Protectors and the Mask Makers. However we donât know if thatâs truly the case until weâre told that. If at some point the book confirms that- then awesome! We were right!
But guess what? Thatâs still new incite on Okotian culture! Just because it didnât shock our expectations doesnât mean it isnât new information.
It doesnât just get discounted because we were able to guest-imate it before it was confirmed.
âDonât get me wrong, clarification is great, and Iâm happy we got itâ
Clarification is the preferred method over having to guess things yourself. Itâs a point in the books favor."
Thatâs all I really feel the need to say on that matter. I donât feel that the âMultiple villagesâ thing has enough substance behind it to be considered a point in the books favor at this current time (having only seen a fraction of the book) because there has actually been a BIONICLE precedent before where a village completely wiped out and it was the singular village of its kind (Tajun). You can infer the intent, sure, but itâs not explicitly stated and as such I donât count it until such a time where it is confirmed. Itâs a very different beast to the Temple of Time, where there really wasnât any room for doubt in its location. All the confirmation did was⌠confirm it. There wasnât any question or doubt, there wasnât any uncertainty⌠everybody kinda⌠knew it already. Donât get me wrong, Iâm not saying itâs not MEANINGFUL, clarification is good, as I said. As I elaborate on a little later, though, the location of the Temple of Time is such a different thing from what I was actually arguing I just donât consider it relevant information to my points.
Look, the information we received in Island of Lost Masks (thus far) does not fit my expectation of what âcultureâ entails. Is that a personal problem and not something that should be counted against the book? Probably, I can admit that much. Am I using an incorrect definition? Possibly. But knowing thereâs a fortress âvillageâ⌠somewhere⌠that was probably only established post-Skull Spider invasion doesnât count in my mind as any insight into Okotian culture and/or lifestyle whatsoever because itâs not their lives. Itâs defending themselves when theyâre under attack. It doesnât take a rocket scientist to figure out that people do that; youâd have a better time winning me over to your side, honestly, if you argued the fact that the villagers use spears is a part of their culture. THAT I actually agree with and am willing to concede.
Culture to me would entail the following:
- Jobs that villagers have
- Okotian currency
- Recreational activies and/or sports
- Preferred weaponry (spears)
- Beliefs
- Day-to-day lives
- Designs of villages and homes (best conveyed through visual media)
- Transportation
- Language (which we got, TECHNICALLY inside the bookâs pages so again, thatâs a better argument to make)
etc. etc. Iâm not upset or angry that the book doesnât have this information; I actually like what we got in the way of the segment with Nilkuu, Pohatu, and Bingzak fighting off Skull Spiders at the defense fort. I thought it was a good scene! It just does not fit my self-imposed criteria.
Also, the only reason I keep bringing up the Temple of Time is because the location of a landmark getting confirmed =/= a landmark getting confirmed. What I said on the episode that one time was that âLandmarks on Okotoâ was one of my prerequisites for the book. I said nothing about âLocations of already existing landmarksâ and I find it pretty difficult to believe that based upon the context of what I was discussing, anyone would assume thatâs what I meant instead of new locations. You feel the need to argue some of the things I said even though itâs irrelevant because 2/4 of them were correct automatically making the book a success in my eyes.
Iâm not a hater of the book; I just donât think itâs perfect. It doesnât have to be, either; perfection does not dictate quality writing, and there are many more books to come. Plus, the information I want will likely be included in the graphic novel, so Iâm not bitter in the least.
-Mesonak
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Once again you seem to think just because the information leaves no impact on you suddenly discounts it. Sure you can guess what their life is like all you want- youâre right you donât need to be a rocket scientist to know they need to defend themselves. But that doesnât suddenly mean it isnât part of their lives. I donât really understand why you keep trying to separate the two.
Itâs not like being attacked is a rare occurance. They are under constant attack all the time. To the point that they are forced to set up outposts around the perimeter of their regions, have pre-determined hiding locations in case of attacks, villages are destroyed, and the regions top warriors are forced to convene so that they can summon mythical heroes they know nothing about outside of whispered legend passed down from generations.
Defending themselves is their day-to-day life. Constantly being in conflict and organizing their society around defense is part of their culture.
They literally had to abandon the main hub of their civilization and reconstruct their lives due to being attacked. What makes you think that their jobs, currency, recreation, and beliefs are not directly tied to their struggles.
Getting incite on what they need to do to survive is absolutely incite on their culture. And this is information we were presented within the first 10 pages of the book. Much of which we did not know prior (outposts, weapons, multiple villages, defenses).
And I truly donât think Tajun is an accurate comparison. There is no way to read this book and assume there is only one village of jungle. Nilkuu explicitly asks Bingzak why he isnât at the nearest village, not THE village. Itâs completely absurd to assume the entire Jungle population was enslaved by LoSS and Nilkuuâs only reaction is âsorry, that sucksâ.
This would be a bigger deal. And Vizuna would have known about it otherwise.
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Ok, then what about Ta-Koro? Donât forget about Ta-Koro.
Letâs assume, then, that the villagers do not have a specific element, like Matoran do, and they live in whatever village they please. Is it possible that Nilkuu would not know what village Bingzak came from? Hence the words nearest village; after all, Nilkuu was lost. He possibly had no idea what the nearest village was.
Vizuna left to go to the temple of time.
I fail to see how you got that conclusion.
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