Toa Hagah Canon Contest Format Feedback

[Ghid]

@Hazash

Except we’re adults now

Not commenting any more on this since I only addressed it to point out it was a red herring

@Hazash

I’m going to wait and see what they say on the subject. But if they want to take things slower than normal, people need to be understanding of that.

My money is that they won’t take things slower than normal, as it will undoubtedly double the stress as opposed to lessening it.

@Hazash

The topic of how long people are willing to wait hasn’t even been discussed by others here, as far as I can tell, so you can’t just assume everyone is so impatient that they can’t wait a little longer to get results.

I have… Two complete canon contests that say otherwise which I kept up with on a regular basis and saw a great amount of the ‘discussion’ from?

I can assume.

@Hazash

Can’t we just treat them like separate contests and pace out the announcement of the winners?

Let’s also have the entry period for MOCs be separate contests as well, since we’re already spacing out every other portion.

@Hazash

Maybe even a few respite periods between each as with the prior contests.

No wait, that’s what you’re literally saying.

TTV has repeatedly said the contest will occur all at once, in multiple different places, and specifically here, in the rules:

Regarding the Hagah:
This contest will not be done in multiple parts. This will be an exception, as canonically the Hagah can wear a mask of any shape that has no bearing on the power. As such, the art and MOC portions will be hosted together. Any 3D pieces that follow the prior guidelines are allowed to be used in MOCs provided the source files are posted alongside the entry. Additionally, entrants may enter up to four (4) Toa Hagah, however there is no guarantee they will all be voted as the winning design. The polls will be divided up into four different topics, one for each remaining Hagah. The only strict guideline that must be adhered to is that the Hagah must wield a spear and a Hagah shield.

I’d quote it normally, but quote is broken on that post for some reason.

So any solution must take this into account, and I must admit, I forgot about this when writing the Ghid rules. I’ll have to go modify them.

@Hazash

Potentially that will help identify and rectify any unexpected issues with how the Hagah contests are being run, and prevent us running four contests badly instead of just one.

This topic is supposed to bring up and rectify issues. To some degree, I think it’s working.

@Hazash

I refer back to my original concerns of the risks of inconsistent depictions for the Hagah if we don’t stagger either entry periods or voting periods.

I defer, again, to the Ghid Rules, quoting specifically:

@Ghid

Contest will be held in two waves: MOC contest, and then Group Art contest. This is so the finalized winners all have a cohesive feel and individual character entries on BS01 can split the image to focus on the respective members. Norik and Iruini’s inclusion in the final contest is optional.

Making staggering the contests completely unnecessary. If the issue with Group Art is modification of the original MOC design, I present the winning art of the Artakha contest, which recolored and redesigned his mask entirely, and the winning art of the Helryx contest, which completely changed the configuration of Helryx’s neck and altered the mask.

@Hazash

The depictions we get at the end of these contests will last the lifetime of the Bionicle community, whereas the contests will last only months. I’d prefer that we take things slowly now if it means avoiding years of bitterness when the contests are over.

There will be years of bitterness when the contests are over no matter what you do. TTV shouldn’t be running canon contests at all, Greg has no authority to canonize new material, it has a 3D printed mask so I won’t allow it on Biosector - all these retorts have come up within the time the contests have occurred.

But staggering the contests isn’t going to stop visual inconsistency. If TTV allows custom torsos within specific size limitations - and so far, there’s no major indication they’re leaning in either direction outside of a few small comments - there’s going to be ‘visual inconsistency’ because they might not be all Metru Builds. And if that’s another war you want to fight, go ahead, but that’s why in the Ghid Rules I left no room for a mid-point art contest, so the final Group Art - after the MOCs, however inconsistent, are already chosen - has the capability to mix and match things however desired both by the artist and by TTV.

We can cross that bridge when we get to it. For now, let’s focus on if we’ll ever get to it.