Toa Hagah Canon Contest Format Feedback

True, that point could be argued for either way. Although black does appear to be the consistent secondary color if we are trying to categorize their similarities to a nit-pick. Their metallics are different but like a stylization color.
Im alright with it going any which way with the secondary colors as long as it looks good.

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I agree. I used black parts where medium brown didn’t exist on my Pouks, and for secondary color effect it worked wonders. I haven’t posted it yet and I’m debating doing so until after I hear the entirety of the rules.

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It may be worth posting just to have a record of ya design’s uniqueness in case of any correlation of design. :man_shrugging:t3:

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That’s a good point. Hopefully this weekend will be soon enough, I don’t exactly have a ton of time just now.

Here’s a question I just thought of:

For the idea of an Art/MOC combo followed by a group shot, what would be the canonicity of the first-round winners?

For the last two contests, the rule has been that the winning MOCs are non-canon because of the possibility of 3d-printed parts.

Obviously any first-round art winners wouldn’t have the possibility of this problem, while any MOC winners would.

So would all of the first-round winners be considered non-canon, because there is a possibility that they could be a MOC with a 3d-printed piece?

If so, I think that that could help even out the perceived disadvantages that MOCs are at in this method.


Also, could an extremely non-purist (More than 4 3d-printed parts, cut/glued pieces, etc.) MOC enter as Art, in the form of a sculpture? Art doesn’t have to follow any purism rules.

EDIT: The more I think about it, the more I’m thinking that, in the context of a combo contest, all MOCs should be thought of as “sculptures” rather than MOCs. I’m kind of basing this off of this quote from The Document:

The two mediums being judged against each other to determine the best overall representation seems like a more honest vision of what our goals actually are for this particular contest, and might make for a better overall result, with people prioritizing canon accuracy and preference over any given MoC or artwork style.

With this thinking in mind, why should MOCs have to provide breakdown photos or use unmodified pieces when the Art doesn’t have such restrictions? If reproducibility is a concern (which it may well be), then we shouldn’t use this combo format, and go back to the “MOC, then Art” approach.

Perhaps rather than “Art/MOC Combo Contest” it should be “Art-only Contest, where Lego is an acceptable medium”.

(Followed by group shot Art Contest, of course. That doesn’t change.)

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Art contest
Close to the sets
Group shot
Unique masks

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This is why a pure (traditional/digital) art contest or a MOC-then-art contest would be desirable. Rather than misidentifying MOCs as art (which requires a semantic stretch at least as far as this contest is concerned — I’m aware that in general philosophical terms it could be considered art), we would have a MOC contest for reproducibility followed by an art contest based on the MOCs, or a strictly art contest that perhaps requires the clear depiction of existing LEGO pieces for everything except the mask and maybe the spear tip.

@Eljay After this contest is over, please do a poll about stopping the canon contests as promised.

As I already said during the Helryx contest, some people were not necessarily around for the initial canon contest poll and thus have not cast their vote back then. Whether their vote would be in favor of continuing the canon contests or not I do not know. My point is that I think there are more people visiting TTV now (thanks to the covid lockdown and the canon contests themselves) than there were back then. I think those people are also part of the community and deserve to have their voice heard.

Moreover, some people might have thought the canon contests were a good idea originally but might have changed their mind after seeing the contests in practice. Or the opposite.

If most people do want to carry on with the canon contests then the community would have gladly confirmed that they made the right choice starting these canon contests earlier. However, if it turns out that most people want to stop rather than continue then doing this poll would serve the interests of the community as a whole since it would result in stopping the canon contests in accordance with the poll results. In both cases the community would have spoken with full knowledge of the subject since two (soon three) of those contests would have been done already, while the previous vote was done without prior knowledge of how the contests would end up.

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Thank you. Someone needed to say this.

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Got a question here. What’s the ruling on custom shields? Some people don’t have the piece in question but may be able to build one that has the same function. Plus, unless you want to paint them, they only come in two colors.

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Unique within the group, or unique to the Hagah?

I can’t see this being an enforceable rule. I can draw the Knight’s Kingdom shinguard on a Vahki shin, but that doesn’t mean it can be built in real life.

Where was this promised?

Obviously I have no input in the rules, but, assuming there’s a MOC portion, I’m hoping the shields can get the same “rare parts” leeway that the sand green on Artakha did.

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I asked the question in September 2020 and Eljay said they would do the poll, just not at that particular time, which was when the rules of the second canon contest were announced. He then explicitely said after the Artakha contest or the next one. So, since the poll did not happen yet as far as I know, that means after the Hagah contest.

Source:


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bada bing bada boom

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Rereading some of my posts last night, I feel I definitely lost sight of the original question Meso posed in the OP. I’m going to try and recontextualize what I was saying to be more relevant to the initial question.

I would prefer option 1 if we can have some degree of freedom in the design of the builds. I recognize that these are canon contests, and that this necessarily dictates that the Hagah be Metru builds. This is why I was trying my best to include examples of Metru builds that push the envelope, builds that use a Metru Torso in a fresh and unique way.

I see this contest, along with the Nidhiki and Tiger {edit: Tuyet, not Tiger, lmao} contests, as opportunities to give the Metru build the chances it deserves, similar to how the Mata/Nuva allowed the Mata Build plenty of varied builds that still fit the Mata mold, same with the Inika onward with the Inika Build. Who’s the Pohatu Mata or Matoro Mahri of the Metru Build; someone who puts a clever twist on the pre established formula? That’s why I want a MoC contest and why I advocate for a little freedom in the builds. I don’t want an Inika build Kualas, I’m just hoping for something akin to the Toa Mangai designs I posted at like post 170.

As I see it, that type of creativity is the advantage to a MoC contest. I’m not sure how something like that could be encouraged by the rules, but that’s what I want. I want a series of creative builds using the Metru Torso, possibly alongside a mandated Metru hip piece. If those Toa Mangai mocs I posted earlier would be acceptable as a Metru Build, **I think a MoC contest is worth the investment **

However If the builds are literally just going to be pallet swaps of Iruini and Norik, I would understand wanting an art only contest, option 2. I just think that on the fine line between literal clone build Pouks and Chromastone Bomonga, there are canon accurate builds that also show creativity.

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Hot take: I don’t want to see Nidhiki and Turret as Metru builds. We already have 13 Metru build Toa, let’s do something different for these guys. Especially since they’re all from different lands, and weren’t re-armored like the Hagah.

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It would be cool. As an Ignition Trilogy Zoomer myself, I would love to see Inika build Tuyet and Nidhiki. I even think an Inika build could work well for Tuyet, seeing as she featured exclusively in story serials from the Inika build era. Of course, if she were Metru build she would still work as a throwback build in the Inika world, but whatever, I definitely see the appeal.

Issue is, of course, canon. I think Greg already stated somewhere that both Nidhiki and Tuyet were Metru Builds, though I’m not too sure. If they are canonically Metru builds, oh well.

… Which is why I’m trying to find interesting and unique builds that can qualify as Metru builds! (Tied it all together there with my last post) but yeah, if I had a choice in the matter, I’d appreciate more diversity in the builds, but we gotta stick with canon somehow.

Important question

What will be with “precious metal” thing? Will it go under chemical definition of them (in lego terms - only silver, gold, and maybe copper), by standard for Bionicle MOCs of them (gold, silver, gunmetal), or it will be any lego pearl color existent in the wild?

As long as the masks aren’t flat or too big / too small, we’re good

In my opinion these guys are near perfect

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Oh no BNG masks

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I imagine that any shiny or metallic color will be allowed. After all, we don’t know what kinds of precious metals exist in the Bionicle universe.