Bionicle's Netflix series is being pirated, please help with this

[IllustriousVar]

@Cordak_the_Last_Makuta

Then I suppose there ought to be no issue in flagging all of TTV’s Ninjago reviews.

After all, their descriptions include links to pirated episodes and therefore condone the pirating of them.

I’d just be enforcing the law as an upstanding citizen, right?

While I’m at it, better enlist the help of hundreds of other individuals.

If we don’t, Ninjago will surely fail financially.

Var, you may be exempt from rules on your own boards, but you are just as much bound by national law as the rest of us. Being a part of big 'ole YouTube channel doesn’t change that. If we’re going to give people flak for pirating Journey to One, then I hope you’re prepared to have the same logic directed your way.

Well you see, the funny thing about upholding the rules and guidelines is that you must first actually understand them. And to do that you might want to actually try reading them.

First off, YouTube’s Community Guidelines, in particular their copyright rules, are strictly written for the content actually uploaded and hosted on YouTube.

The redistribution of copyrighted material via uploading directly onto YouTube’s platform is very much against the community guidelines that YouTube has put forth in an effort to protect copyright holders from having their content stolen from them. YouTube generates revenue based off ad impressions on each video. This means a video that does not belong to the individual uploader is still generating revenue, and none of that revenue is going to the original creator. This is done regardless of whether or not the person enables adsense on the video itself, as YouTube still runs ads on ALL videos. The only difference here is that all the revenue is going to YouTube rather then the 60/40 split with the uploader.

In this instance, YouTube is unknowingly stealing revenue from a copyright owner due to the copyrighted material being uploaded to their platform.

This is why the content guidelines are in place and why YouTube is so against copyright infringement.

In the instance that you are flagging a video that has uploaded copyrighted material, you are adhering to the guidelines and using the system as it was intended. Ergo, you are not breaking any rules, you are not a vigilante, in fact you are an upstanding citizen doing what YouTube wants you to do.

On the flipside…

Youtube’s community guidelines make no mention of deep-linking to copyrighted footage on their platform. Why? Because this is not in direct violation of any predetermined rules or laws and is not an infringement of copyright. There are no legal repercussions to deep-linking to copyrighted material on any website.

We have personally chosen to disallow deep-linking on our site because we wish to support Journey to One as best we can, and we are within our full rights to do so. Just as we are in our full rights to deep-link to the Ninjago episodes in our videos.
You can claim that this is hypocritical all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts and it doesn’t swing the law in your favor.

You are still wrong.

We are well within our rights and If you were to flag our videos for deep-linking the Ninjago episodes, you would be abusing the flag system implemented by YouTube and we would absolutely make a counter claim on any flags you make. We will win, and your account will likely be suspended. We have already addressed this Ninjago complaint at length, and we will not address it again.

Also, while we are on the subject of rules, I don’t take kindly to being threatened.
Perhaps you could use a refresher on our rules

I’ll save you some time:
Respect the staff. Respect the cast.
I’ll allow you to think about that while on a week suspension.

And I would like to remind everyone once again about our leak policy.

If you have a problem with this policy, you are free to leave whenever you wish. However while on our site I expect you to uphold them. You are absolutely free to discuss any issues you have regarding our site with us politely. If that is a concept you simply cannot grasp then you are not welcome here.

If you have complaints regarding our channel, direct them here.

If you have complaints regarding our site, direct them here.

I’ve had it up to here with the mudslinging, the backtalk, the inane rhetoric, and attempts to sway the community towards starting fights whenever the opportunity arises.

And most of all, I am tired of the appalling attitudes many of you seem to be carrying.

This will be my final word on this matter. I am done playing this game.
Shape up and get the chip off of your shoulder, or leave. My next suspension will be longer than a week.

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This topic is about Journey to One and the current issue with the show being pirated. Not our channel. Let’s move back on topic please.

I applaud all of you here who have gone out of your way to try to stop YouTube accounts from re-uploading the show. Those channels are breaking the rules, and you are doing your duty as a member of YouTube by upholding the guidelines that the website has put in place. Regardless of your reason, or even your actions in the past, what you are doing now is a good thing and while it might not help much in the grand scheme of things, I’d like to think that someone working at LEGO has taken notice and appreciates the support you’ve given them.

[Kiixaar]

Ah, Piracy and Copyright, a very hot topic! Time for me to weigh in: After reading every post in this topic, I went searching the Internets for pirated episodes for Journey to One. They exist, not a lot, but they are rather easy to find, albeit I swear I didn’t watch any. I watched the first episodes of Journey to One on a friend’s Netflix account. I canceled my Netflix subscription after my free month ended a year ago. In July, I’m set to have a second job, and will definitely have enough room in my budget for another month of Netflix, JTO, and other things.

I did not pirate JTO because it was available on Netflix, and because this is the one chance Bionicle has to make a big splash and get traction in the mainstream audience. At day’s end a view is a view, yes; and people are watching it, but I theorize that most of the pirates and bootleggers are long-time fans of Bionicle. I believe that Bionicle’s best hope of reaching new fans and a new audience is Netflix and JTO. The best way for Bionicle to grow into something bigger is for people to either watch Journey to One on Netflix or buy the sets. I love Bionicle; as far as media coverage is concerned it is in its infancy, every view on Netflix counts to help it reach the heights of other beloved kids’ shows such as My Little Pony, Adventure Time, Steven Universe, and Gravity Falls just to name a few. Pirating JTO is extremely selfish, as it stunts Bionicle’s growth and stops it from living up to its full potential. I have wanted to re-open my Netflix account, but as a college student with loans to pay off, money is tight and I restrict myself to a budget. I want Bionicle to grow, to become a household name, so I refrained from pirating. While I may have pirated other things in the past, I did not feel as strongly about them as I do Bionicle. (Also, 90% of my piracy was music from old video games whose soundtrack wasn’t commercially released.) If Journey to One had been aired on TV and not uploaded to Netflix, then I may have pirated it because I don’t have TV, and can’t watch it repeatedly. However, JTO is on Netflix, so anytime I want I can just ask my roommate for 20-40 minutes of his account anytime he’s not using his computer.

I have pirated in the past, but being a passionate fan of Bionicle and JTO has significantly challenged my view on online piracy. (And I respect anything/anyone who can honestly make me re-think my values.) Maybe JTO will stay the exception, or maybe it will become the rule. I’ve been re-evaluating a lot of my habits lately, the occasional viewing of pirated material being one of them.

TL;DR
JTO is still small enough for piracy to be majorly detrimental. Let’s keep an eye out for pirates and nip ‘em in the bud.

[Chilly]

@IllustriousVar

Respect the staff. Respect the cast.I’ll allow you to think about that while on a week suspension.

I wouldn’t say questioning staff is disrespectful.

@Kiixaar

Let’s keep an eye out for pirates and nip ‘em in the bud.

I’m pretty sure only copyright holders can flag them, hence why it says “Infringes MY Rights” in the copyright section.

[Kivax8]

Just flagged it

[Invader39]

By gosh, Var, you just ripped that guy to shreds… that was incredible. 11/10 would read again.

Anyway, I’m always annoyed when people pirate crap. I mean seriously, what do you gain? It’s not like you get any money from it, unless you want money for it, then it’s even more illegal.

Maybe they think they’re doing some sort of Robin Hood act by uploading it so people who don’t have Netflix can watch it without having to pay for it.

Ugh.

[Chronicler]

@Chilly_Productions

I wouldn’t say questioning staff is disrespectful.

Except that wasn’t what was disrespectful. He threatened Var’s channel and he doesn’t take kindly to that.

[IllustriousVar]

Once again, this topic is not about discussing the merits of our channel or how we manage our content. I appreciate the support, and I understand the criticism, but please direct these discussions to their appropriate topics.

Any further posts deemed off topic will be deleted, thanks.

(Also please avoid making three word responses. These types of posts do not add any meaningful discussion to the boards and merely clutter the topic).

[OraNui]

I found more on youtube that need to be taken off. The only problem is trying to find the right option to flag them because there is nothing that says “flag for copyright violation”. Stupid YouTube is so obsessed with copyright violation yet they don’t have a button to flag it when there is a legitimate reason to.

[Dragon_Ben]

Yeah that is the hard part. Finding which option to use. I don’t want to get in trouble my self. But I must flag these videos.

Well I found one and flagged it for spam.

[Votuko]

I haven’t read the YouTube T&Cs, but it sounds like you’re not really supposed to flag for copyright infringement on other people’s behalf.

Maybe it would be better to email the URLs to LEGO so that they can take whatever action they see fit. Or maybe to Netflix, since it is their series.

[DG_Eddie]

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I can fully agree on anything that is against pirating other shows from one platform to another. And, as I have said in one of my recent posts, piracy is also a crime as Grammar Nazism jaywalking or theft. Sadly, we do not have the means to monitor what gets pirated and what does not, but if we keep out eyes peeled, we can spot the pirated stuff, and report it (or flag it, depending on the site).

[Mayple]

The thing is, YouTube’s been under fire for it’s copyright problems, but this sort of thing is exactly why those rules exist. So that it’s easy to take down copyrighted material.
If the system does get revamped, it may end up being another dailymotion where you can’t really strike anything because of how loose the rules are

(Also, to any cast member who sees this, how does Vessel’s copyright system work?)

[Cordak_the_Cynical_Makuta]

Alright, now that a certain inconvenient leave of absence (due to admittedly antagonistic sarcasm and snark) is out of the way, allow me to articulate my final opinion on this matter more respectfully.

If your reasons concerning the reporting of the Journey to One videos are just limited to adhering to YouTube’s guidelines, fine.

I may find it distasteful, but I can’t argue with pure logic, however cold it may be.

However, you can’t elevate yourself onto the moral high ground, saying you’re “supporting the show”, if you pirate shows like Ninjago, and condone their piracy. Regardless of whatever beef you have with Lego’s airing schedules, people in regions Netflix doesn’t support are dealing with the exact same issues with JtO. They have no other current option either.

If pirating JtO because you can’t use Netflix means you’re trying to undermine the show’s success (which is what’s being implied here), then you’re also undermining Ninjago’s success by pirating it as opposed to waiting for it to eventually air or be officially released by Lego through other means, and I’m pretty sure no one that does that thinks that’s the case.

Supporting Ninjago’s pirating while opposing the pirating of Journey to One on moral grounds is hypocritical, and there’s no way around that, whether you’re a reviewer or not.

If you still don’t plan to apply these same moral principles to the pirating of Ninjago, then don’t pretend that this widespread reporting somehow elevates you to a higher purpose that’s ensuring Journey to One’s success. That’s not what you’re doing. You’re upholding a rule on a video-streaming site, and nothing more.

There, that’s my say, though I’m still open to any further discussion.

Please don’t hurt me.

[Dragon_Ben]

@Cordak_the_Last_Makuta

There, that’s my say, though I’m still open to any further discussion.

You have just awakened a sleeping giant.

######But I actually agree with you for the most part.

[Winterstorm345]

But you can’t act like it’s the same, let’s compare how Lego makes money off ninjago vs how it makes money off of JtO
Ninjago airs on TV where it doesn’t make money off of veis it makes money by having commercials in it so Lego is still making money off of ninjago however I am unsure of how they make money off JtO so I may be completely wrong

[Cordak_the_Cynical_Makuta]

@Winterstorm345

But you can’t act like it’s the same, let’s compare how Lego makes money off ninjago vs how it makes money off of JtO

Lego makes money from Ninjago’s show through the same means they make money off of Journey to One: through the medium they choose to release it.

There are people that live in regions where they are simply unable to access the one profitable medium Lego officially released JtO through (Netflix), similar to how they air Ninjago in locations many of us can’t access (at least, I think that’s how the situation’s been going with Ninjago’s episodes for the last few seasons).

We can either wait for official releases we can access, or we pirate it.

[Eljay]

@Cordak_the_Last_Makuta

We can either wait for official releases we can access, or we pirate it.

I’m no longer really interested in this conversation anymore since it went from supporting Bionicle to villainizing us for… I dunno, fun I guess? But I wanna point out one very interesting thing about “the mediums they choose to release it.”

How to you get a TV show episode from a show that has not already been broadcast?

[Winterstorm345]

Exactly Television companies don’t pay per veiw so Lego doesn’t lose money when People pirate it, which is probably why they aren’t that strict about taking down the pirated episodes, and through quick Google searches it would appear that when Netflix brings a show on they buy it season by season, this is paid for by that $8 a month we pay for the service so by pirating Netflix original shows we are taking viewers away from Netflix which means Netflix loses money then they have to make budget cuts, big shows people really like stay small new ones get cut

[Cordak_the_Cynical_Makuta]

@Eljay

I’m no longer really interested in this conversation anymore since it went from supporting Bionicle to villainizing us for… I dunno, fun I guess?

I don’t intend to villainize.

I’m just pointing out the consequences of taking the moral high road in this whole thing, while trying to keep it general enough to not just target TTV as a whole.

This is meant to potentially apply to everyone.

I don’t know the individual opinions of each TTV member, so I’m not going to target you guys.

I’m just saying, hypothetically, you’re hypocritical if you’re simultaneously pirating Ninjago while reporting posted Bionicle episodes under the flag of “supporting the show”.

Abiding by YouTube’s legal guidelines is one thing.

Putting yourself on a moral pedestal in the name of the show is another, and I’m not saying you’re doing that. But I know some people are.

@Eljay

How to you get a TV show episode from a show that has not already been broadcast?

I’ve been under the assumption that it aired somewhere. Just not globally.

Mainly because there has to be something to pirate to begin with.

If that’s not the case, please, correct me.

If it is, then I ask this: how can you get an episode from a show that’s has been released exclusively on a service not supported in your region?

@Winterstorm345

Exactly Television companies don’t pay per veiw so Lego doesn’t lose money when People pirate it, which is probably why they aren’t that strict about taking down the pirated episodes, and through quick Google searches it would appear that when Netflix brings a show on they buy it season by season, this is paid for by that $8 a month we pay for the service so by pirating Netflix original shows we are taking viewers away from Netflix which means Netflix loses money then they have to make budget cuts, big shows people really like stay small new ones get cut

Keep in mind that I’m not equating the Ninjago thing to people that just don’t want to pay for Netflix.

I’m equating it to people that can’t access the service period, because of regional restrictions.