CCBS and System are fine to fill in where secondary colors such as gold or silver (which AFAIK is still up for debate) can’t
guess it’s not worth arguing too far until the rules are shown. I was under the assumption that it was just grayish-green.
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That’s a very good point, hadn’t considered what they’d be saying of it, and by the end of the day their words as good as Greg’s here.
Couldn’t people just make their own armor parts? There’s no reason to overthink this.
All of these have grayish green armor, including the very last one - JakTheMad’s moc. The forearms and thigh armor would work well on Artakha, especially since the parts come in both sand green and olive green.
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Except none of those feel like BIONICLE MOCs. I’m okay with that given who Artakha is/represents, but I’m sure not everyone will be.
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The rules are live;
I have seen this point far too many times and I have to disagree.
Artakha has created many things, but the Staff was arguably the most important artifact for the original awakening process of Mata Nui. It bears the name of its creator because, just like Artakha, it is tied to the essence of creation, and serves a similar purpose. That is looking at it from narrative standpoint.
Now for the “he never even used it” argument itself.
If we go by this logic then Artakha’s hammer (which most of the already existing entries most likely already include) has even less of a reason to be there. He never used it either, just had it with him.
Compared to that, Staff of Artakha was actually used in story, on a grand scale (repaired an entire universe).
Even more importantly, the “warhammer” is not any kind of special artifact of Artakha, just a random crafting tool he picked up from his forge to use as a makeshift melee weapon on his trip.
So if we draw a comparison:
Staff of Artakha - a mysterious artifact, which is named after and is an extension of its creator. It is essential for the proper functioning of the universe and had a major use in the story.
Warhammer - a random hammer from the forge used for crafting, no major connection to Artakha, not really a weapon either. It was never used in story.
So if there was one thing that should be canonized along with Artakha himself, it should be the Staff.
Now I am not saying Staff of Artakha to be mandatory in either MOC or Artwork portions. But honestly why wouldn’t you include it if we have this unique chance? If the mocist/artist chooses to have it in their entry, it should be recognized as canon appearance.
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Except he did use/wield the hammer in his one physical appearance we’ve had. It’s also a tool he used for forging. The Staff of Artakha is not his tool, just a creation he made. Had the scenes where Artakha actually appeared been visually depicted, he would have wielding the warhammer, not the staff.
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I hope this does not come across rude or anything, but please read my points a little more carefuly.
What you said does not devalue any of my arguments.
The hammer was never used, he only took it and carried it. He didn’t actually weild it in battle. Additionally the hammer is not even mentioned in the story itself, we only know about it from Greg. If I missed something please provide a qoute.
But regardless, I stand behind what I said for reasons I have stated in the long post.
The hammer has same importance as “that one pair of pliers in Vakama’s forge”. So if no one has problem with that, no one should have problems with Staff of Artakha.
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I don’t think it should necessarily be prohibited from being included, but I do not think it should be canonized.
As I have said a few times before, the only things that should be getting canonized in a contest are things exclusive to the character.
Like Tuyet’s Broadsword.
While Artakha did create the Staff, it is not exclusively his.
General items, like the Staff, or various Kanohi, should get their own contests.
Although the Mask of Creation is kind of in the middle. It was not created for Artakha, and it itself holds a fair bit of importance in the story.
But, on the other hand, Artakha is literally the only one to ever use it, and he has used it in a lot over 100,000 years, so an argument could be made that it is exclusive to him.
But I feel like it has already been determined whether or not the Mask of Creation will get its own contest, so there is no point in discussing it.
That is my exact opinion on the colour of the mask as well.
If people are really concerned about it throwing off the colour, perhaps his hammer could be gold.
Because, although it is not a requirement, it is pretty likely that he will be canonized with a hammer, even if it is not The Hammer He Took To Go Save The Universe.
EDIT: Just read the rules, and it is not only a requirement, but the hammer will indeed be canonized as The Hammer He Took To Go Save The Universe.
It is for all of those exact reasons that I think the Staff should NOT be canonized alongside Artakha. Something of such importance should get its own contest.
Otherwise, people’s attention gets divided between Artakha and the Staff when it comes time to vote.
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That is fair. But I would rather have it along with Artakha than not at all.
I agree with you there, but who’s to say that we will not eventually get a contest for it?
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From the various posts from TTV staff it didn’t seem too likely, but I would be all for it!
We will get the answer for the Staff of Artakha tommorow (presumably with the full rules?).
The rules are out.
No Staff allowed.
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Well… I did not expect such harsh restrictions. I still stand by everything I said for the Staff of Artakha.
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I’m moving over here. It doesn’t have to do with solely Artakha, of which the other topic should be just for Artakha
Here’s my problem, right? If someones protesting canon, they deal with it by making a headcanon. If they don’t want to make a headcanon, then it’s tough luck for them.
It’s not difficult to have a headcanon. If you want, say, Artakha to look entirely different, that doesn’t hamper anything. Recognizing canon but not believing it is so simple.
If y’all can think of an alternative solution to not liking the canon while not making a headcanon be my guest and discuss further, I’d love to hear it
This is looking a bit ahead (perhaps too far), but for the Art Portion of Artakha’s contest specifically, a decision may have to be made about the color of his mask.
We know that–at least by coincidence, but perhaps by design–both Legendary Masks whose appearances we are aware of (the Ignika and the Vahi) are gold by default, with the Vahi only turning orange due to rust, and the Ignika having its own color-changing system.
So, when we get to it, it will be worth considering whether the Mask of Creation should be gold–to remain consistent with the other Legendary Masks–or if it should break the trend and more closely match Artakha’s gray-green color-scheme. Personally, I think it should be gold for the sake of continuity, as it makes all three Legendary Masks consistent. However, this will naturally affect the artists who enter the contest, so it should probably be resolved before then.
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super excited! I´m preparing for the art contest, good luck to everyone!
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I completely understand this, y’know? I’ve made my own Tuyet and Nidhiki, was going to make my own Lariska etc, but they’ll all be moot as soon as their contests end. I’ve felt disheartened over that. My Tuyet will likely be extremely different from the canon one, but I see mine as Tuyet, who might I add is my favorite character in the whole series.
I wanted my points to help people, I’m trying to tell everyone YOUR design is good enough for YOU, you don’t need to throw it out. These contests won’t be adding any story relevance to their features, all you have to do is recognize that others will think they look differently (which we’ve already been doing for a decade!)
I heard someone talk about Marendar having one or two eyes, right? There will likely never be a point where the number of eyes he has is actually relevant. If you hear someone say he has two eyes though, after you made yours have one, I find it easy to just say “oh right, theirs has two eyes” and move on.
I hope all that’s sensible 
or even the point 
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