BIONICLE G1 Canon Contests Discussion & Questions

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@ Staff of Artakha, as said in the poll topic, it’s only real relation to Artakha is that he made it. He was never seen wielding or using it, it’s not really any more relevant to him as a character than the Avohkii, Kanohi Nuva, or Axalara.

@ Color, that he at the very least has some form of a gray-green (sand green, olive green) in his color scheme should be enforced, but perhaps not much more besides that as. As said prior, there are of course other color options that may fit the gray-green description (faded green, light faded green, light green, medium green, dark army green, bright bluish green/teal, possibly lemon metallic or metallic green) however, they’re all pretty limit in their useability as they’re extremely limited (besides teal, which I personally don’t think fits the bill) in part selection, even more so than sand green or olive green which are limited to begin with even though they’ve been used in constraction pieces and are active colors.

@ Complexity, I agree, I don’t think it’s any issue when it comes to a titan build. As far as scale goes, Artakha is about 10 ft, which would be around the height of Brutaka in Inika-scale at 28-29 centimeters/ever so slightly less than a foot (if I did my math right), but this doesn’t need to enforced by any means.

@ the mask, just personal taste - while I don’t want to see Artakha be gold, I think it could be really neat to have the mask be gold while the rest of him isn’t, because it makes the mask stand out as legendary. Because afterall, the Ignika and Vahi were both gold + if Artakha is also gold (or the same color as the mask), the mask doesn’t end up looking like anything special (see: Tahu Uniter).

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1487

I’d rather not have the contests become too pay-to-win, as would be the case if we enforced a rule on desaturated green. I think allowing any shade of green in the MOC contest, and encouraging it to be desaturated in the art portion, or even in editing before posting, would be ideal.

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Which is prohibited by the rules

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1489

Unless sand green and olive green parts are outrageously expensive, I fail to see how requiring grayish green parts makes the next contest pay-to-win. Any increase in price is almost solely because this contest pertains to a titan rather than a toa, not because Artakha has a certain shade of green.

You still gotta pay money to get the parts at the end of the day, and paint would be an absolute mandatory if the color requirement is saved for later. I’d like to see cool titan mocs take advantage of the parts that come in olive green and sand green, especially since it’s clearly possible, rather than find the right shade of paint for 40 something parts after the artwork contest

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1490

But it’s not about you winning, its about canon. It doesn’t matter if they’re pay-to-win as long as it pertains to the established canon and portrays the character correctly

I’ve seen too many people thinking this is their time to do what they want. This is about the canon. Not what you want to do, what it is. Hagah are metru. Artakha is gray-green. Lariska is teal. ETC

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1491

I see your points, but there’s another issue that I thought of. Unless I’m mistaken there’s not any armor parts (aside from CCBS) in any of the grayish-green shades, which would make variation difficult. Unless someone’s up to make an entire set of armor using just limbs and hands from Zaktan.

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1492

CCBS and System are fine to fill in where secondary colors such as gold or silver (which AFAIK is still up for debate) can’t

1493

guess it’s not worth arguing too far until the rules are shown. I was under the assumption that it was just grayish-green.

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1494

That’s a very good point, hadn’t considered what they’d be saying of it, and by the end of the day their words as good as Greg’s here.

1495

Couldn’t people just make their own armor parts? There’s no reason to overthink this.

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All of these have grayish green armor, including the very last one - JakTheMad’s moc. The forearms and thigh armor would work well on Artakha, especially since the parts come in both sand green and olive green.

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1496

Except none of those feel like BIONICLE MOCs. I’m okay with that given who Artakha is/represents, but I’m sure not everyone will be.

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1497

The rules are live;

1498

I have seen this point far too many times and I have to disagree.

Artakha has created many things, but the Staff was arguably the most important artifact for the original awakening process of Mata Nui. It bears the name of its creator because, just like Artakha, it is tied to the essence of creation, and serves a similar purpose. That is looking at it from narrative standpoint.

Now for the “he never even used it” argument itself.
If we go by this logic then Artakha’s hammer (which most of the already existing entries most likely already include) has even less of a reason to be there. He never used it either, just had it with him.
Compared to that, Staff of Artakha was actually used in story, on a grand scale (repaired an entire universe).
Even more importantly, the “warhammer” is not any kind of special artifact of Artakha, just a random crafting tool he picked up from his forge to use as a makeshift melee weapon on his trip.

So if we draw a comparison:
Staff of Artakha - a mysterious artifact, which is named after and is an extension of its creator. It is essential for the proper functioning of the universe and had a major use in the story.
Warhammer - a random hammer from the forge used for crafting, no major connection to Artakha, not really a weapon either. It was never used in story.

So if there was one thing that should be canonized along with Artakha himself, it should be the Staff.
Now I am not saying Staff of Artakha to be mandatory in either MOC or Artwork portions. But honestly why wouldn’t you include it if we have this unique chance? If the mocist/artist chooses to have it in their entry, it should be recognized as canon appearance.

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Except he did use/wield the hammer in his one physical appearance we’ve had. It’s also a tool he used for forging. The Staff of Artakha is not his tool, just a creation he made. Had the scenes where Artakha actually appeared been visually depicted, he would have wielding the warhammer, not the staff.

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I hope this does not come across rude or anything, but please read my points a little more carefuly.
What you said does not devalue any of my arguments.

The hammer was never used, he only took it and carried it. He didn’t actually weild it in battle. Additionally the hammer is not even mentioned in the story itself, we only know about it from Greg. If I missed something please provide a qoute.

But regardless, I stand behind what I said for reasons I have stated in the long post.
The hammer has same importance as “that one pair of pliers in Vakama’s forge”. So if no one has problem with that, no one should have problems with Staff of Artakha.

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I don’t think it should necessarily be prohibited from being included, but I do not think it should be canonized.

As I have said a few times before, the only things that should be getting canonized in a contest are things exclusive to the character.

Like Tuyet’s Broadsword.

While Artakha did create the Staff, it is not exclusively his.

General items, like the Staff, or various Kanohi, should get their own contests.

Although the Mask of Creation is kind of in the middle. It was not created for Artakha, and it itself holds a fair bit of importance in the story.

But, on the other hand, Artakha is literally the only one to ever use it, and he has used it in a lot over 100,000 years, so an argument could be made that it is exclusive to him.

But I feel like it has already been determined whether or not the Mask of Creation will get its own contest, so there is no point in discussing it.

@Wolk

That is my exact opinion on the colour of the mask as well.

If people are really concerned about it throwing off the colour, perhaps his hammer could be gold.

Because, although it is not a requirement, it is pretty likely that he will be canonized with a hammer, even if it is not The Hammer He Took To Go Save The Universe.

EDIT: Just read the rules, and it is not only a requirement, but the hammer will indeed be canonized as The Hammer He Took To Go Save The Universe.

@ToaKebaka

It is for all of those exact reasons that I think the Staff should NOT be canonized alongside Artakha. Something of such importance should get its own contest.

Otherwise, people’s attention gets divided between Artakha and the Staff when it comes time to vote.

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1504

That is fair. But I would rather have it along with Artakha than not at all.

1505

I agree with you there, but who’s to say that we will not eventually get a contest for it?

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1506

From the various posts from TTV staff it didn’t seem too likely, but I would be all for it!
We will get the answer for the Staff of Artakha tommorow (presumably with the full rules?).

1507

The rules are out.

No Staff allowed.

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