BIONICLE G1 Canon Contests Discussion & Questions

[ToaKebaka]

I hope this does not come across rude or anything, but please read my points a little more carefuly.
What you said does not devalue any of my arguments.

The hammer was never used, he only took it and carried it. He didn’t actually weild it in battle. Additionally the hammer is not even mentioned in the story itself, we only know about it from Greg. If I missed something please provide a qoute.

But regardless, I stand behind what I said for reasons I have stated in the long post.
The hammer has same importance as “that one pair of pliers in Vakama’s forge”. So if no one has problem with that, no one should have problems with Staff of Artakha.

[TheJerminator]

I don’t think it should necessarily be prohibited from being included, but I do not think it should be canonized.

As I have said a few times before, the only things that should be getting canonized in a contest are things exclusive to the character.

Like Tuyet’s Broadsword.

While Artakha did create the Staff, it is not exclusively his.

General items, like the Staff, or various Kanohi, should get their own contests.

Although the Mask of Creation is kind of in the middle. It was not created for Artakha, and it itself holds a fair bit of importance in the story.

But, on the other hand, Artakha is literally the only one to ever use it, and he has used it in a lot over 100,000 years, so an argument could be made that it is exclusive to him.

But I feel like it has already been determined whether or not the Mask of Creation will get its own contest, so there is no point in discussing it.

@Wolk

That is my exact opinion on the colour of the mask as well.

If people are really concerned about it throwing off the colour, perhaps his hammer could be gold.

Because, although it is not a requirement, it is pretty likely that he will be canonized with a hammer, even if it is not The Hammer He Took To Go Save The Universe.

EDIT: Just read the rules, and it is not only a requirement, but the hammer will indeed be canonized as The Hammer He Took To Go Save The Universe.

@ToaKebaka

It is for all of those exact reasons that I think the Staff should NOT be canonized alongside Artakha. Something of such importance should get its own contest.

Otherwise, people’s attention gets divided between Artakha and the Staff when it comes time to vote.

[ToaKebaka]

@TheJerminator

It is for all of those exact reasons that I think the Staff should NOT be canonized alongside Artakha. Something of such importance should get its own contest.

That is fair. But I would rather have it along with Artakha than not at all.

[TheJerminator]

I agree with you there, but who’s to say that we will not eventually get a contest for it?

[ToaKebaka]

From the various posts from TTV staff it didn’t seem too likely, but I would be all for it!
We will get the answer for the Staff of Artakha tommorow (presumably with the full rules?).

[TheJerminator]

The rules are out.

BIONICLE Canon Contest #2: Meet the Maker

It was a nice break, but it’s time to hit the forge yet again. Your quest, should you choose to accept it, is to create the Artakha, the great crafter that created the Toa Mata, the Staff of Artakha, and vehicles held within the core of the universe. His appearance has only been described once: “He stood at least 10 feet tall. His armor was gray-green and covered in runes carved at the beginning of time.” — Reign of Shadows, Chapter 10 His mask has also only been described once, however this won’t matter for the first half of this contest: “His mask was the most ornate anyone had ever seen – more than just a Kanohi, it was a true work of art. The metallic protodermis from which it was forged was arranged in intricate patterns and designs, each reflecting one of the many cultures that…

No Staff allowed.

[ToaKebaka]

Well… I did not expect such harsh restrictions. I still stand by everything I said for the Staff of Artakha.

[ToaFautann]

I’m moving over here. It doesn’t have to do with solely Artakha, of which the other topic should be just for Artakha

@TheJerminator

You can’t just tell people to ignore the canon if they do not want to.

Here’s my problem, right? If someones protesting canon, they deal with it by making a headcanon. If they don’t want to make a headcanon, then it’s tough luck for them.

It’s not difficult to have a headcanon. If you want, say, Artakha to look entirely different, that doesn’t hamper anything. Recognizing canon but not believing it is so simple.

If y’all can think of an alternative solution to not liking the canon while not making a headcanon be my guest and discuss further, I’d love to hear it

[Toa_Heatwave]

This is looking a bit ahead (perhaps too far), but for the Art Portion of Artakha’s contest specifically, a decision may have to be made about the color of his mask.

We know that–at least by coincidence, but perhaps by design–both Legendary Masks whose appearances we are aware of (the Ignika and the Vahi) are gold by default, with the Vahi only turning orange due to rust, and the Ignika having its own color-changing system.

So, when we get to it, it will be worth considering whether the Mask of Creation should be gold–to remain consistent with the other Legendary Masks–or if it should break the trend and more closely match Artakha’s gray-green color-scheme. Personally, I think it should be gold for the sake of continuity, as it makes all three Legendary Masks consistent. However, this will naturally affect the artists who enter the contest, so it should probably be resolved before then.

[B3njix]

super excited! I´m preparing for the art contest, good luck to everyone!

[ToaFautann]

@Hazash

This is treading into ‘off-topic territory’, so this will hopefully be my last message on the subject. Suffice it to say, it’s a generalisation to assume this. There will always be people who have put stock in their ‘unofficial additions’ to canon and will be disheartened if those additions are challenged years or even a decade after they were made. This isn’t me arguing against the contests. I just want to make sure the stance of such people (including myself to some extent) aren’t discredited or misinterpreted. Not everyone will be able to reconcile the disparity between their headcanon and the new canon additions without feeling defeated or disheartened.

I completely understand this, y’know? I’ve made my own Tuyet and Nidhiki, was going to make my own Lariska etc, but they’ll all be moot as soon as their contests end. I’ve felt disheartened over that. My Tuyet will likely be extremely different from the canon one, but I see mine as Tuyet, who might I add is my favorite character in the whole series.
I wanted my points to help people, I’m trying to tell everyone YOUR design is good enough for YOU, you don’t need to throw it out. These contests won’t be adding any story relevance to their features, all you have to do is recognize that others will think they look differently (which we’ve already been doing for a decade!)
I heard someone talk about Marendar having one or two eyes, right? There will likely never be a point where the number of eyes he has is actually relevant. If you hear someone say he has two eyes though, after you made yours have one, I find it easy to just say “oh right, theirs has two eyes” and move on.

I hope all that’s sensible

or even the point

[Winger]

@Toa_Heatwave

so it should probably be resolved before then.

OR…

we leave it up to creative license please don’t kill me I’m too young to die

[Racie02]

I’d like to make a case for a johmak contest, if new contests are to be added.

1. She had a speaking roll in the story
2. She is not a Toa breaks up the run of 10 Toa contests.
3. She has just enough description for creativity (Ebony armour, shield, helmet)
4. We’ve had contests for order members before (Helryx, tobduk)

[Spiderus_Prime]

Well there’s one problem of doing a contest on Johmak, she’s invisible, since trans-clear pieces of BIONICLE and CCBS don’t exist, so how we have a contest about the character who is invisible most of all time.

[Racie02]

You’re thinking of Jerbraz.
Jerbraz is invisible.

[Hawkflight]

we should have a MOC contest for Jerbraz in all his handsome and dashing glory, but the art contest is for after he turned invisible.

[Winger]

that’s the kind of contest I can imagine myself winning.

[TheJerminator]

Late thought: If Orde had an Iden, he could have used it to endure torture from the Dark Hunters by just leaving his body for periods of time.

From the Yesterday Quest:

“The Matoran escaped; ORDE didn’t. He was finally saved by the rest of his Toa team, but not before enduring days of interrogation. Only his strength of will had kept him sane.”

I’d say that that’s about as story-relevant of a power/reason as you can get.

[Hawkflight]

wouldn’t that change the meaning of it do “by strength of will” to “by complete withdrawal”?

[CalamitousT]

Kinda what I thought. Not to mention that any competent torturer (sorry, interrogator) would have removed such a mask prior the Very Friendly Chat™.