Hagah have wrong-shaped masks. End of story
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Well I guess that solves the Mask of Emulation riddle. Good job team!
I love this idea. At the same time, it took me a few days to draw Iruini once, so Iām not sure how Iāll pull that off. But I love it nonetheless!
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What Iād really like to know is if Toa Jovanās and Tardukās masks officially represent their non-organic masks, so they can be used as āstandardā masks in this contest.
Gregās answer is pretty vague, saying they are āprobablyā different, and BS01 doesnāt say they are non-canon. I would like it if they were canon, but Iād like to hear what people think.
So, hereās some issues I havenāt seen discussed:
- 3D-printed weapons. It hasnāt happened yet, but a moc can use 3d-printed weapons. Weapons are technically a way for a 3-d part to become canon.
- I think Norik and Iruiniās masks should be disallowed, or at least discouraged. It would be odd for two Hagah to have a mask shaped like a Kualsi/Kiril
- By that above logic, what happens if two mocs wearing, say, a Hau-Shaped mask, win? Unlikely though it may be, I think itās something to be considered.
- Regarding the Shelek, itās important to note that the Shelek we see in 08 is shapeshifted to have a bat shape. None of the Hagah would have had a mask shaped like the 08 Shelek, because as far as we know, it didnāt exist yet, and it isnāt likely to be the default shape of a Shelek.
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Itās obvious that any ruleset will upset someone, so the only way to be fair is to upset everyone:
Artists must recolour the armour metallic pink (for all four), and they MUST draw the masks in the shape of HF helmets.
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Specifically it showed up in the flipped format of the exclusive āmovieā variant; the one with the angular eyebrows and completely redesigned mouth. I have the mask, and the eyehole differences are quite noticeable.
Oh gosh Iām starting another war arenāt I
āSo, uh, youāre honoring that guy? Great Toa, legendary hero, butā¦ā
āBut what Norik?ā
āThe thing is, he also has a Kualsi. Youāre reforging a Kualsi to a Kualsi with literally no differences.ā
āDonāt tell me who I can and canāt honor.ā
āAre you handpicking the guy with a Kualsi so your mask doesnāt have to change? I thought we agreed-ā
āWE AGREED TO HONOR PAST HEROES WITH OUR MASKS NOW SHUT UP AND REFORGE MY FACE PLEASEā
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Iruini is just honouring himself.
(Also, I donāt think their masks were āreforgedā. Their Hagah masks were made from scratch.)
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After all of this, most people will probably just end up using the silver/gold mata masks, the Rhode, Olmak, or Lhikanās Hau, which arenāt controversial anyways. Maybe the Metru matoran, since they have a bit of silver.
I do not envy Eljay, he still has to wade through this discussion and decide on rules that will inevitably get some people mad at him.
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This is similar to the metallic colour distribution āproblemā. The rules could address it, but it would end up putting unjustified-by-canon restrictions on some of the entries.
The only real way to deal with it would be to do the contests in series, and then disallow the masks from the previous winners. But thatās kind of a bad idea. Why should Pouks get a wider range of possible Kanohi than Kualus? (For example. Note that this also goes for the colours, as well as Norik and Iruiniās masks)
I think all we can do is hope that the votes work out.
I wouldnāt be upset if two Toa got the same mask, itās not unreasonable to think that it could happen in-story. Besides, if the votes say that the mask shape fits the character, then so be it.
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agreed, it would be weird if more than one of them wore the same mask shape, for sure, but it wouldnāt necessarily break anything and isnāt a fair restriction to place on builders. Hopefully itāll just end up being a situation like sand green on the artakha moc, where the winner worked out fine anyway and the rule didnāt end up mattering much at all.
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We may just have to give a lot of slack (amongst our own minds) when voting for any flat dark gold submissions because theyāre getting really short ended here.
As you can see, the silver Kanohi blend MUCH easier. And flat dark gold is not an easy color to paint and as far as I am aware, not printed to the same standard?
Practicality may have us just have their mask recolored in the art contest because out of all flat gold masks, it seems only repeating a metru Hau is viable.
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Paint is still an option tbf, and if there is an art portion they might allow mask colors to be placeholder on the mocs
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If Iām not mistaken, the Kanohi itself doesnāt necessarily need to be metallic, although that would fit in with the current two. But yes, I agree the gold mata kanohi donāt mix perfectly.
If you want to make a gold mask match exactly, then either you have to use dark gold with Lhikanās mask, or pearl gold with the Olmak/stars Hau. But the pearl gold wouldnāt match with the dark gold shield.
EDIT: There is one other option, to use a gold mata mask, and use other gold mata masks for all the armor. But I donāt know anyone who is that rich.
Thats what I was shooting for. Although I havenāt seen a successful paintjob of flat dark gold. Iād much rather it be recolored in the art contest since the color is so rare.
From what we know of the Hagah I think it should be metallic. So much to the point Iād really be much more comfortable with just allowing placeholder masks in the contest or having the moc be pallet swappedā¦ its hard dealing with this color. 
Thatās why you go with the wild and crazy colours.
#rosegoldpouks2021
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Technically they just have to have metallic armor, not metallic Kanohi. But yeah aesthetically I agree they should have metallic masks.
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Out of curiosity, what masks are people planning to use/have used for their hagah mocs?
Mine have a Rode, a Knights Kingdom helmet, a Sanok, and a Kraakhan (that last one is under the assumption that masks were placeholder; Iāll probably change it to Lhikanās
For those concerned about the timeline, Teridaxās Hagah team was formed āat least 1,300 years agoā, Lhikan became a Toa 7,500 years ago, and the Mangai were formed 4,000 years ago. So a Toa Hagah could reasonably be honoring Lhikan.
#no
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Thankful for the clarification! I was scheming (But had not yet actually started) a Hagah with an alternative coloured Kraakhan to honour Teridax. Since the Makuta honoured the Hagah for their deeds, it didnāt seem too far fetched to me.
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