personally I’d prefer them to be regional variants akin to Lhikan’s
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I believe the argument is that Hahli’s and Lesovikk’s Faxons were specifically adapted to work in an underwater environment; remember that both were mutated to be water-breathers and their masks also changed during that mutation (Hahli by the Ignika, Lesovikk by the pit mutagen iirc). Most Toa aren’t designed to stay underwater for extended periods of time so their masks had to be adapted to the circumstances. It makes sense, then, to believe that Hahli’s and Lesovikk’s variant is the underwater variant while Bomonga’s is the land variant.
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I can see the argument but as Greg has stated otherwise, it would render it untrue, right?
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But it’s not just their inspirations; the official artwork uses the same mask shapes.
I have only found a single quote that explicitly states that Lesovikk’s (or Hahli’s, for that matter) Faxon is the standard mask, and it is contradicted by the fact that the standard versions of the Mahri masks shouldn’t have tubes or visors.
I can find no other quote that specifically asks about the Faxon, and every quote (that I could find) about the Mahri masks in general leaves it ambiguous as to whether or not the tubes and visors are the only differences:
Every quote leaves some margin of error, presumably because Greg wanted to have an out in the event that standard versions of the masks were ever made that were different from the existing parts.
But again, this is a lot of information to throw at Greg at once; any question I ask would just say “is this a Faxon” and leave it at that.
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Yeah but aren’t the Mahri masks the same as standard ones just with visors and tubes?
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I have found no quote that explicitly states that, and only that. We know that those definitely are differences, but we don’t know whether there are any others.
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Ah so that’s what you were saying
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This quote literally says that Lesovikks faxon is standard:
So I would say it would works @Rukah
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That is the quote I linked above.
My issue with this quote is that it is contradicted by every other quote about the Mahri masks, which state that the standard masks don’t have tubes or visors.
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Ok a didn’t see that, I found this as well:
Are their masks the same shape as the normal versions of these masks, with the exception of the tubes, or are they slightly modified (ie. what appears to be a breathing apparatus on the bottom of Nuparu’s mask only being on his and not on Nidhiki’s)?
Far as I know, they are normal shape
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I think choosing to retcon Pouks and Bomonga’s masks especially after the contest ended is really disrespectful to the artists that participated, including me. Bomonga had no consent to change the mask but Pouks did, regardless, many artists chose to keep it because they thought it already fit. There’s no real reason to change them other than to fit the personal canon niches of a few.
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Let’s canonize Bomonga’s mask as the standard shape of the Volitak, make everyone unhappy.
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There’s the possibility of other differences besides the tubes.
And that’s not just me being hypothetical; we know there are other differences, because the standards masks don’t have visors, which that quote makes no mention of.
Who is this in response to?
Because I’m not trying to retcon anything.
Yet we have Mazeka without the visor and tubes and still being the standard according to greg. Both Jaller, Kongu and Hewkii Mahri also only have hoses.
Everyone was giving their two cents in discussion their masks so I thought I’d give mine as a response to the general discussion. I’m not referring to any particular person.
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The same thing can be said for the mask of psychometry and creation tbh
Except in the hagah’s case, they couldn’t have their true mask shapes but Artakha and Helryx were concrete because there’s no information indicating that the shape was different but the hagah were explicitly reshaped.
Except we didnt know the basic shape for the mask of psychometry or creation as well
This is probably the best way to go about it. Just get official word saying “yes, it’s a faxon/Kakama.” The debate about standard shapes is gonna continue anyway, so just dodge the issue and say that they’re the same mask but modelled differently. Be it regional differences, or quirks of whoever made them*, we know what shape they are meant to be (except for Gaaki)
*this is something I’m surprised no one has brought up, but in Mystery of Metru Nui, Vakama recognizes a mask made by Nuhrii, so we know there can be some differences between creators.
The angle of the mask, the ridges around the eyepieces… these were marks of Nuhrii’s work.
That’s a completely different argument. You don’t see anyone saying “let’s retcon it so that Helryx has a noble-shaped mask of Psychometry”
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You are missing my point, Double never themself stated that the Pakari on Helryx was a placeholder nor did wombatcombatpictures both had their mask of choice changed. Its more so an issue with Arthaka as it was a 3d modeled mask that was intended to be the mask of creation
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