For me personally, Toa Mangai of ice is a notable character, but that is only because I like Toa Mangai.
However I suspect the majority of community not considering him as such (especially since he was a later addition). When thinking about Calix users he gets overshadowed by Varian.
And once again, my point was that Iden is the underused mask (out of the Inika) and it fits the powerset.
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But this mask power does go well with his psionic powers. The Iden is certainly related to matters of the mind, and Ordeās powers could allow him to do things with the mask that another Iden-wearer could not.
The Iden could also provide interesting story opportunities, if it were to ever be continued. It is known that the story was eventually going to lead the Toa to a Great Being laboratory, where there would inevitably be machines that Orde could put his spirit into. This could be especially useful if their Elemental Powers stay deactivated.
If this were to be done, we would need the scene of Orde falling out of the tree, whether it would be played for laughs (Orde testing to see if his mask still works), or as Orde doing something useful (like scouting around).
Iād still prefer the Sanok/telekinesis combo though.
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I donāt really think this is applicable. Tobduk was never pictured with an inorganic Sanok, so I think Sanok is still on the table
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But heās still a Calix user, is he not? Does the same not apply to the Toa on Jovanās team? Both are relatively unknown characters whose mask powers were brought up on some forum about a decade ago.
While I personally donāt imagine Orde with the mask, this is fair enough. This has been my reasoning as well, so itās nice that others value it too.
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That is only because the appearance of the inorganic Sanok is unknown. If such an appearance were to be canonized, Tobduk would be retconned as having that mask, just like how Krakua has a Hau in the official model, but a normal Suletu canonically.
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Yes he is, so what is your point? Keep in mind my argument does not stand on equal numbers of users, but an underusage of Iden relative to other Inika masks.
Ultimately I would be ok with either one, but Iden is in my opinion (for reasons stated) a better and more interesting choice.
Who knows, maybe it will be a completely different mask.
I just didnāt understand why he wasnāt brought up earlier. Both the Toa Mangai of Ice and the Toa on Jovanās team share an equal amount of relevance, or lack of in particular. A mound is being made out of a molehill though, so I donāt see a point in talking about a misunderstanding further.
Putting that aside, Iām glad your reasoning is not based on a quota. I remembered previous discussions that pertained to evening out the numbers and I mistakingly applied that here, so my bad 
I wonāt be surprised if we get quite a few entries with the dark blue Ruru, although that can always be interpreted as an X-shaped mask of Y
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The reason I didnāt bring him/them up was because I only mentioned characters, which I thought most people would consider notable.
Just for clarity, this is my thought process:
Toa from Jovanās team (we knew about him wearing an Elda sooner+he was one of the first saviors of Mata Nui) >Toa Mangai of Ice (his mask was determined by a contest that took place relatively late, so less people know about him+less grandiose achievement) >Toa with Suletu (we only know that he existed and died near Karzahni).
Just want to say this now, I donāt think weāre talking about the contest anymore, this convo is getting a little off topic
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This arguably pertains to upcoming contests but regardless, I think itās better to focus on the contest that will be finished in a little over a month - which is Artakha. The Yesterday Quest Toa arenāt even going to happen until 2021 or 2022.
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Agreed. We already finished this particular conversation anyway.
So speaking if which, I am still hoping for the Staff of Artakha.
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Absolutely. I donāt think the Staff or Artakha should be required but it would be dope if we get one.
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Yes, I wouldnāt necessarily mandate it either. But I sure would like to see it!
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I think the Staff is something that needs to have its appearance determined in a separate contest. Otherwise we run into the same issue we had last contest, where people will be voting based on their favourite Staff, rather than Artakha.
If Artakha regularly wielded the Staff, I could understand including it, since it would be an important, personalized part of his appearance.
But the Staff is not exclusive to him.
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Right on. What are your thoughts on Artakhaās color palette? I was initially disappointed that he isnāt dark green but sand green and olive green have since grown on me. A balance of grayish green system parts and technic would look swell. Iāve seen quite a few dark green, mata green, and lime green Artakha mocs so it might be better to establish the rules sooner rather than later. For the most part, Iām neutral on the grayish green being required for both contests or just the art contest. Either direction incentivizes painting pieces imo
Whatever the rule on the colour is, it should be applied to both the MOC and Art portions. I know that the MOC is supposed to just be āinspirationalā and non-canon, but the reality is that people want to build these non-canon models. Having official Art that is a different colour from the MOC just handicaps the ability to build the models, especially if it changes to a colour as uncommon as Sand Green.
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I have no strong opinions on the color as long as it doesnāt completely deviate from the limited description that we have. A mixture of some greens and some grays/silver is fine. Perhaps some color gradient would be nice, intertvined with a gradient in style - as we know Artakhaās design should reflect various different species and cultures of MU.
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Fair enough. Iād like to see some creative mocs use existing sand green or olive green parts and I want the canon design to be buildable. There arenāt any paints I know of that can accurately replicate sand green or olive green, which could prevent people from replicating the canon design.
Anyways, hereās some parts I found that would work great on Artakha. Some of these parts were used on the '08 vehicles and it would be neat if Artakha used pieces from things that heās built i.e. gunmetal mistika shield and olive green technic panels/liftarms
I think the very last piece could work well as a collar similar to the Ur-Didactās. Regardless, Iām open to whatever people do.
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One thing I do feel rather strongly about is that Artakha should have the most intricate design out of all the characters on the list (arguably in the whole series). I do not want to see the usual anti-complexity complaining.
To clarify in advance, I am not saying it should be as complex as possible.
I am saying there should not be any ceiling to the complexity of Artakha.
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Since Artakha is a titan, I doubt that will be an issue. Itās reasonable for Toa to be more arguably simple, conventional, and creative where it counts rather than a way to show off. Artakha, the golden-skinned being, Marendar, and Lariska are different stories imo.
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