I probably should have seen that. Thank you.
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After closing and having gone through the various posts and comments on the polls, in my humble opinion, it might be wise for each creation for future canon contests to be anonymous. Some comments / votes are appearances exclusively for creators and not creations. In addition, some posts are quite hateful and counterproductive âŚ
I think by adding rules on MOC anonymity (to make a post anonymous, I have no idea how this works, but if it is possible for forum members to do so, it can calm things down) :
- No leaks on other networks (to remain anonymous, but saying that you are participating is allowed)
- If anonymity is broken, disqualification
- Remove the fact that we can put a comment
- And only during the voting phase to discover the different MOCs (always under cover of anonymity)
I know this sounds drastic, but I think anonymity can allow different people to avoid hate comments and vote issues / disputes
This is only my opinion, and needs to be debated
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I quite like that idea tbh, but I donât really see it happening.
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yeah, me neither. I mean, they way that the boards and the contests are set up make it so that you have to know exactly who did what. If there was a way to do this, I would be all for it, but it just couldnât happen.
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Itâs not that thereâs no way to do it - it could just be as simple as entering your build through DMs with the admins - but I donât think very many people would be supportive of it.
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yeah. Also,what about people like conner hoffman, who have youtube channels and share their Mocs that way? How would that work?
They might just be forced to wait until after the contest to share their entries.
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Iâm going to preface this by saying youâre not the first one to suggest this.
The idea of forced anonymity falls apart because of three immutable facts:
A: People are always going to vote for their friends and/or individuals they know. It is not our responsibility to police why people vote as long as they do so in good faith. Enforcing anonymity also does not preclude knowledge of who an entry belongs to, as some individuals have very distinct Moccing styles and/or have shared in progress pictures prior to the contests.
B: These contests run on the basis of no small amount of good faith from the community. Anonymizing entrants and having everything occur through back channels would work, but only in the most perfect of circumstances, and would more than anything lead to no small level of distrust and a valid questioning of the integrity of the contests.
C: Enforcement is impossible. Your friend knows about your moc, so he mentions to another friend which one is yours. Suddenly everyone knows which moc belongs to whom. Are we to disqualify an entrant just because anyone knows what their entry is? And more to the point, we cannot enforce anything off the boards - there are too many communities, dozens of discord servers with hundreds of subservers and groups. We could mandate anonymity, but it would be functionally impossible to enforce fairly.
The fact of the matter is that we are in control of a small corner of a massive fandom. We are able to administer the contests via the forums and keep an eye on them for tampering or evidence of brigading and take action accordingly, however we cannot enforce our rules against violations that occur elsewhere. It has never been an option that interests us.
Unfortunately, as I mentioned, people will always vote for people they know. I think looking at the first round of voting and going âThis is broken because people voted for their friends over the Mocsâ is a bit of a jump because, well, we had 115 entries and only 36 will be moving forward to the second bracket. As far as Iâm concerned, when the numbers are that high, vote for whoever you want for whatever reason you want.
As for individuals comments and getting heated in the poll topics, that is an issue entirely separate from the contests and is handled via Board Rules just as it would be handled anywhere else on the Forums.
I would agree with anonymizing the contests if they were being judged, but as it stands a public vote requires public knowledge of the entrants - whether you vote for or against someone because you know them and not because of what they built is a side-effect of having the polls be public.
~Hawkeye
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When will the next round of polls start?
I find that voting for whomever you want, on the simple idea that you know a person is not âfairâ for all other creators. Some have huge Youtube channels and some are âhiding in the shadowsâ when they are excellent. And unfortunately, even though they are excellent or talented, they CAN be penalized not on their build which is perfectly what one would expect, but on the simple fact that no one knows it.
It is especially this point. Because all forums and other networks, active people know each other âmore or lessâ.
But I totally understand the fact that this is very difficult, and Iâm glad I got a response and my post was able to be discussed.
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Well, to be fair, WCPâs Helryx didnât even make it to the final round last time.
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Who is WCP
Wombat Combat Pictures. Itâs the YouTube channel of @Connor_Hoffman, who has submitted entries in both contests so far.
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Round 2 is live!
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oh ok
Is your concern with people going through the entries just looking for popular names, or are you concerned that people will see a MOC elsewhere, and then come here to vote for only it?
If it is the latter, I suppose that is a valid concern, but I donât know how youâd police that.
But I donât really see the former being an issue. If someone is taking the time to look at all the MOCs, I feel like they would vote for quality rather than name.
Obviously I canât speak for everyone, but I only recognized one entrant in this contest, and that did not influence my vote. I voted for it for other reasons.
I have a question for when the art portion for Artahka opens.
How much of the winning MOC will we be allowed to recolor? Like say, can we recolor the some of the green parts to generic gunmetal or we want to keep the same color palette ratio as the MOC?
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Only the green can be recolored, and to a âgrey-green.â We wonât be enforcing a specific hex.
Would that apply to small details, like the eye color, or finger color?
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There is precedent for small details being changed.
For example, the Helryx Art changed her hands from black to blue, added green highlights on her shoulders, and removed her hunch.
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