Biovival Discussion (aka Christian Faber's mysterious project)

[Kini_Hawkeye]

@Tarkur

Lets say this what if he reveals his intetions the majority is onboard with it then when whatever he is doing actually comes out its different due to compromises and other hick ups along the way, if so did he string us along? Would fans still be positive or will they claim Faber broke a promise?

That is, ultimately, irrelevant to the conversation at hand. There will ALWAYS be individuals who believe they were strung along. They are irrelevant in that scenario.

“Fans” may not be unanaimously positive but the difference will be that the people who ARE positive are confirmed to be positive about what’s going on.

It feels as though you’re trying to say that secrecy is better for Faber in the long run but does it not just compound the chance that there’s a negative reaction?

@Kini_Hawkeye

Right now the interest is in what he might be doing, and therefore the longer we wait to figure out, the more people get on the Wave, the more potentially angry/disappointed people there are when he finally tells us where the Wave is going.

Clarity up front is never a bad thing.

@Pakari

obviously if he comes out with something concrete to show, we’ll know what it is he’s doing. But he will lose a lot of people (and therefore, support) by not disclosing that now (and he easily can), and if that thing winds up not even being what the people who stuck around wanted, they will leave too and bring negative attention to the finished product.

It would just be very, very bad for him to do so.

@Kini_Hawkeye

Im simply saying that the backlash will be significantly lessened the sooner he tells us what’s going on, not that it won’t happen.

It’s going to happen either way. It’ll be worse the longer it takes.

As Meso stated at the literal start of this resurgence days ago, you can’t please everybody.

@TheMightyObsidianDude

The only difference between saying it now, and saying it later, is that those angry, entitled people, who will hopefully disperse after they’ve gotten their manchild rage out of their system, will feel like they had significantly less of their time wasted.

Once they’re gone, we’re just left with the people who actually care about the project being produced. There are less of them, sure, but they’re passionate about what’s being actually made, not just the preconceived fantasy they have in their heads. Isn’t that a good thing?

@Pakari

And, as a side-effect, it will also draw in more people who like that specific idea.

Let me be abundantly clear. You are arguing something so far removed from what we’re arguing that it’s actually bordering on semantics. The negative reaction to Faber saying what he’s trying to do will happen no matter what. There will always be individuals who are disappointed

The difference is in the number of people disappointed. The longer it takes for us to find out, the higher a chance that more people are disappointed.

And more to the point, “Won’t people be mad” is not a compelling reason to keep them in the dark.

[OraNui]

Lol this debacle is still going on. There isn’t much left to discuss here. Faber made some mistakes in the way he was showcasing his work, but did anyone honestly think Bionicle was going to get a G3 because Christian teased a project? Whether he is or isn’t doesn’t matter becasue that’s a pretty hefty goal, no reason to get angry if it doesn’t happen.

[Pakari]

@Tarkur

Lets say this what if he reveals his intetions the majority is onboard with it then when whatever he is doing actually comes out its different due to compromises and other hick ups along the way, if so did he string us along? Would fans still be positive or will they claim Faber broke a promise?

Well, I would expect that, if he clarifies his intentions and follows-through on making a product start to finish, he would be transparent about the production process along the way.

If in this hypothetical he comes out and says “Hey guys, this is what I wanted to make, but it ultimately couldn’t be done. This is what we’ve had to make it instead.” Then no, I wouldn’t feel strung along because he would be clear about it. That’s the creative process, and things evolve and change.

If he were to develop the project, hiccups occur, and he then doesn’t mention that they happened, then yes, a final product that is different than initially advertised would be disappointing and people would be mad.

You only have to look at any failed video game ever to see that.

Example: When I was making my graphic novel, I initially wanted it to be set in a medieval fantasy world. The idea changed, and it wound up being urban fantasy. If I had hidden that fact from my professor up until I actually published the thing, yes, she would have been mad.

But I didn’t. I was upfront with her about the changes that always happen during the process. Thus, no frustrations.

[Kini_Hawkeye]

@OraNui

Lol at this debacle is still going on. There isn’t much left to discuss here. Faber made some mistakes in the way he was showcasing his work, but did anyone honestly think Bionicle was going to get a G3 because Christian teased a project? Whether he is or isn’t doesn’t matter becasue that’s a pretty hefty goal, no reason to get angry if it doesn’t happen.

This hasn’t really been a point of discussion for like, 2 days though, so… shrug

[OraNui]

That may be true, but it has evolved into a never ending debate of nothingness.

[Kini_Hawkeye]

Ye pretty much.

[Pakari]

@OraNui

That may be true, but it has evolved into a never ending debate of nothingness.

But one I have unwittingly been dramatically sucked into regardless.

Oh well.

[Winger]

@OraNui

That may be true, but it has evolved into a never ending debate of nothingness.

We do it for nostalgia, you know?

Right?

_right?

[TichePotato]

There was some interesting discussion around the TEDx Talk and how that recontextualises a lot of his Instragram posts, giving us a greater insight into the mind that made them and why they were worded as they were. It’s been incredibly circular, though.

[Timeline15]

At the end of the day, this all comes down to one thing for me. If he were doing nothing but post concept art and wax lyrical, Faber wouldn’t need to explain himself at all. But he’s doing more; he’s actively asking for ‘support’. He’s used the word verbatim on more than one occasion. His social media presence is blatantly trying to drum up support for whatever nebulous goal he has. For that reason alone, he really ought to offer an explanation.

I personally see it like crowdfunding. If you tried to get support on a crowdfunding sight, you’d get laughed out the door if you refused to even describe what it was you were planning to create. Now, Faber isn’t asking for money of course, which is presumably why so many people are content to let him continue with no commitments of any kind from his end. However, he still asks repeatedly for ‘support’.

He refuses to even outline what this support entails, but he’s asking for it nonetheless. If he’s going to ask that of us, it’s only fair that we ask in return “okay, what are we supporting?”

[OraNui]

@Winger

We do it for nostalgia, you know?

Maybe so, but nostalgia is an unhealthy obsession these days, as can be seen within this fandom and people throwing fits at Faber.

[Winger]

that post wasn’t meant to be taken seriously but fair enough

[Pakari]

@TichePotato

There was some interesting discussion around the TEDx Talk and how that recontextualises a lot of his Instragram posts, giving us a greater insight into the mind that made them and why they were worded as they were. It’s been incredibly circular, though.

I know people are just going to tell me to watch it myself (and I probably should as it’s at least tangentially pertinent to the topic), but does anyone have the SparkNotes version of what he said in that talk?

[OraNui]

Ah, I honestly didn’t catch that at first, my bad.

[Ghid]

@Kini_Hawkeye

If i am going to support something, or someone, I want to know what I am supporting. I am entitled to know what I am supporting.

those darn bionicle fans and their

shuffles deck
pulls out card

requiring basic information

@Pakari

NDAs do not stop you from saying what kind of thing you are working on, nor do they stop you from saying what it is that thing hopes to achieve or do.

Unless those NDAs specify that you can’t even hint that you’re working on something at all.

But, uh, we know Faber doesn’t have that because he’s posting developmental concept art.

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I’m making an official community announcement: I am going to do something today.

By the way, here’s this:

Something will occur today and I will be doing it.

By the way, here’s this:

I hope you guys are as excited as I am.

By the way, here’s this:

If you think this is even remotely related to Kopaka, you’re a dummy. There’s no reason for you to think that. Why would you think that?

By the way, here’s this:

And really, you’re the one at fault for campaigning for something I’m not doing. When did I ever give you the slightest hint?

By the way, here’s this:

[Timeline15]

Ghid Newell announces Kopaka 3

[N01InParticular]

This screenshot just makes me think he’s making a Arg. (For does of you who don’t know what that is, look it up.)

[OraNui]

@Timeline15

If he’s going to ask that of us, it’s only fair that we ask in return “okay, what are we supporting?”

Well said, I think this is perfectly fine and good. I’d just advise people to not “crowdfund” something if they don’t know what it is in the first place. That being said, it’s a very bad move on Faber’s part to do that. Doesn’t mean the anger towards him is ok though.

[Ghid]

@Timeline15

Ghid Newell announces Kopaka 3

All I’m saying is this topic gave me an excuse to post Kopaka passed out on the pavement and why I didn’t do that already is beyond my comprehension

@N01InParticular

he’s making a Arg.

That’s it

No more supporting Faber

[Timeline15]

@N01InParticular

This screenshot just makes me think he’s making a Arg.

Oh god please no. I’m already having 'Nam flashbacks to the Sombra ARG back when I still foolishly believed Overwatch was going to do anything with its lore.