Biovival Discussion (aka Christian Faber's mysterious project)

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Wow his work is fantastic as always!

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Well, it does look interesting, I guess?
I’m not sure if I can get behind this robot cowboy/bounty hunter idea, but the drawing does look great tho.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CdILRjEuwAD/

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it looks
it looks like faber

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Indeed! :stuck_out_tongue:

Btw, I can somewhat see and understand the direction Faber wants to go. Like Him, I also think that a 3rd Bonkle rendition ( If it were to happen once.) should not repeat itself by telling the same story for the third time. However, it is undeniable that the excessive secrecy and cryptic language He’s been using about his project is becoming increasingly frustrating.

I also fear that even if Faber somehow manages to get a green light for his work, it would be too far from what Bionicle is (Or should be.)

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I have an irrational love of robot cowboys.

This is so good.

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It’s Diero!!!

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faber why did you steal my idea smh

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No that’s a robot cowboy. Diero’s a skeleton cowboy

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To be honest, this is pretty much exactly what I was hoping for.

The blend of high-tech with nature in the way Bionicle did it is something I can barely think of elsewhere, and once those core world concepts are established, the scope of potential stories to be told within the setting increases exponentially. Recently I’ve been all but fixated on the vague idea of a Bionicle Detective Noir set in Metru Nui, featuring a Matoran PI trying to deal with the increasing presence of the Vahki as they solve cases.

Some of the other ideas that’ve floated through my head since making that post include a feudalistic society with a hierarchical structure based and adhering to the evolutionary cycle of the Matoran race: the transitions from Matoran to Toa and Toa to Turaga reflecting the inherent conflict in a meritocratic oligarchy.

Or a space-faring story following a biomechanical crew as they encounter a biological alien race, exploring the emphasis placed upon physical differences, and emphasising how those physical differences can genuinely affect interactions between two radically different peoples.

Or a dive into the consequences of an society on the verge of becoming decadent challenged with the discovery of a potential next step to their evolution, forcing a great degree of societal evaluation after being confronted with the prospect of stagnation and degredation versus extreme and change that will leave society scarcely recognisable.

Using Bionicle as a vehicle for all sorts of stories is something I’m very firmly onboard with.

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Honestly, looking back Faber’s posts kinda sound ai generated.

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“AI auto generation son, it makes me impervious to writers block!”

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He kinda looks like Nick Valentine actually…

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Someone made a Scraperbot and Res out of lego

poggers

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Well let’s see what Faber’s been up to-

Mata Nui, this is a Makuta fish. If Kini’s post was a novel, this is Ulysses.

I’m pretty sure Faber said it actually refers to the location that Old Bionicle fans are when they approach G2. We’re the old Turaga on Turaga beach. Hence “Goodbye to Turaga Beach” when G2 got canceled.


I think we only know a few things at this point:

  1. Christian Faber wants to bring back Bionicle.
  2. Christian Faber had some meetings with Lego about bringing back Bionicle that got canceled because of Covid.
  3. Christian Faber still wants to bring back Bionicle.

Now as for Faber himself, he strikes me as an ideas man with his head in the clouds, like Walt Disney or Tim Cleary over on the Aetherlight. Ever bursting with optimism, the ideas guy has faith that his ideas will come to fruition, and if he keeps talking about them, someone will come to bring them to life.

And you know, Faber’s the man who designed the big robot mystery of the first Bionicle. He knows what big ideas get this story to roll. This whole social media thing is Faber putting his little kid hand up and saying “I got something!”. Or more specifically “I got something as cool as a giant robot. Keep me on board with this. I can make G3!”

But he’s not a pragmatist, especially not like us old, hardened, skeptical fans, and he can’t tell us the big mystery he has in mind for the new story he’s just bursting to design. That would spoil the story and ruin it. Hence all of the teasers. He’s hoping that if he puts his hand up, Lego will eventually call on him and he’ll be able to see his ideas come to life once again.

I think the references to fan creations may be that Faber may want fans to write or build G3 story as a backup, or have some sort of part in his ideas’ construction. But remember that Lego is all about inspiring fan creations in general. I still think the social media posts are just Faber’s personal plan to lobby Lego to make G3 with the big ideas that he has in his head.

And given that he was the mastermind behind the brilliant G1 mystery, I think he at least deserves a chance, and maybe just some understanding of the type of person that he is: a cross-wired freak with weird dreams. :slight_smile: It’s possible that his great new ideas aren’t as good as the G1 ones were, so following him is a risk. But I don’t see anyone else posing any great new mystery ideas, so I don’t think we have a license to disregard him. Let’s give this dude a little faith and see what he’s got.

For the optimistic ideas guy, they don’t actually do anything. They are not doers who get results - they have dreams and ideas. They don’t execute. There is no result - there is only an idea - and so shutting down the ideas before anything is done with them is viewed as a personal attack. Demanding results from such a person is a waste of time - they expect you to take their ideas and make results, not the other way around.

I think what Faber expected was people making fanart of his artwork or something and fans executing what he gave them in an attempt to rally Lego. He miscalculated the fact that the Bionicle community has long since lost all hope and is basically looking for a savior. We’re not inherent optimists like he is. We’re outside the process, and so we put our savior hopes on him which he inevitably disappointed.

XD XD You have gotten better at comedy over the years, Mr. Ghidora. Most human beings are indeed results-oriented pragmatists and so it is difficult to understand the ways of the ideas man among us.

The business talks did seem promising, but I never expected anything concrete out of Faber. At that point of the livestream, he was just a sputtering visionary and he clearly had no plan. He still has no plan, and frankly he will never have a plan. That’s not who he is, and if you expect that from him you misunderstand him.

It’s not his job to take ideas and make a plan - that’s my job. :stuck_out_tongue: Sorry for being asleep at the switch and missing the show, I just have been busy with other things and haven’t seen anything from Faber that I like yet.

We used to be able to do that pretty well, but we need a real leader to organize us. Say what you want about the dreadful bonesiii and Black Six, but they used to do a passable job of organizing collaborations. Voltex did a good job organizing what he did, but he only organized his own things.

I think the TTV folks could organize a collaboration if they wanted to, and they probably already have. I just haven’t been paying attention enough to notice. headscratch I could probably organize a collaboration. Maybe we should just have a Biorevival concept art themed short story contest. Winner gets an old G2 Scorpion and an orange classic Lego car. :stuck_out_tongue:

Nope. Bionicle is Bionicle. I don’t waste my time on something that isn’t Bionicle, and the way he set this up, I expect Bionicle from him. No cheesecake, no dice. I want the good stuff, and I don’t like bait and switch.

That camera need to be moved back. Our man Faber is tall.

That is true of everyone, Mister Hawkeye. If Faber did nothing, this statement would still be true. And given that we don’t know anything about what Faber has or hasn’t done because he hasn’t said anything, it’s still true.

What we know can be summarized in one sentence: “Christian Faber drew some stuff and had some meetings with some people that were canceled.” This is unremarkable, given that Faber is a concept artist. It would be like me saying “fishers wrote some posts on an online forum and met with some people from those forums over voice chat.” Just another part of my daily routine.

And given that this is Christian Faber’s personal social media profile, that’s the content you should expect from it. I happen to have a degree in web design, and that included some hefty research into internet marketing. A personal social media profile is not how you should market a product - you need a separate account for that. If Faber had an account dedicated to Biorevival where he was making these vague statements, all the accusations would be legitimate. But all this is is Faber’s personal hopes and dreams and emotions, which change daily. He’s being personal and philosophical about the ups and downs of his work, and not concrete.

He worked on Bionicle in the past, he wants it to come back, and he’s an artist. He draws stuff. He looks around at the fans who have all gathered around him and is like “you want to do something with this?”.

I mean, the fans have been making product pitches to Lego, but it’s all old stuff. We need something new instead of endlessly rehashing the past. And on that, Faber actually has a point that we would be wise to listen to. The problem is, I can’t make a Lego ideas set of Faber’s swamp character because its his idea and copyright, so I can’t really do anything for him.

Right now Christian Faber has sold me nothing for the price of zero. I took the time to read this thread, but that indicates an investment in the Bionicle community and not Faber.

The Bionicle community I do know about, and my investments in the community so far have actually paid off and given me numerous huge returns.

Then we need to figure out a private Discord server or some similar means to talk to Faber so he isn’t leaking information to the whole internet about a concept that may not even ever exist. Plus also, if it did exist, it would be under NDA. It’s not that you’re a child, it’s that you’re a customer instead of a producer.

If the fans want to switch roles and become producers of Bionicle instead of customers, Faber wants in on it, and we would be dense not to include him. He may have connections in Denmark that can help us get the pitch to be accepted by Lego, and a concept artist is part of the development process. It also sounds like we would be dense not to include you and Ghid as well.

We aren’t entitled to anything. That’s this community’s first problem. Faber can say whatever he wants when he wants on his personal social media, which you do not run and have no control over.

Exactly. That’s what this is.

Isn’t this an entitlement to knowledge? I don’t have to tell you what Bionicle projects I’m working on in my dark basement. I didn’t ask you to support them either. Nowhere has Faber concretely asked people for support for anything. He didn’t even ask for his Instagram presence. We don’t own him just because we subscribed to it.

Now I understand why TTV made the video - Faber basically left TTV, a reporting agency for Bionicle news, in an impossible position. From a Bionicle reporter’s perspective, this is a nightmare because there is no objective facts to report, despite the fact that Bionicle is being referred to. I get that they were tired of being strung along and thus are now trying to distance themselves from this, which is something they should do. There’s nothing here, so nothing to report. I also get why they are mad - he left them in a really frustrating position.

But from the perspective of the average fan, I’m happy to put up my heels and wait and pontificate along with the resident ideas man for a bit. Give the man some space to think.

I think he is looking for the fans to take his ideas and artwork and do something with them. Write a story, maybe? Make MoCs?

BZP’s dead. :stuck_out_tongue: The only thing that is keeping its corpse online is the BZPRPG. I would defer to the Bionicle Twitter population as the best representation of the community’s continued activity.

Yeah, but what we’ve been doing is rehashing old stuff. All of the fan games and Lego Ideas projects I’ve seen scream “revive 2001” and “retell old story”. Faber wants us to make something new instead.

It’s not illegal if he’s getting permission from the fans in question and putting them under NDA so they don’t talk about it. He can also say “fans are making content based on this” in a meeting without violating individual fan copyrights. Obviously if we have an agreement and work with him the situation would be different, and that is what I think we should do, or try to do.

The problem is that Faber doesn’t know how to organize people online to get things done. You need a planner for that. Hi, I do that. Hi, Mr. Faber. Would you like some tea?

At this point in reading, I do think someone should ask Faber whether he has a product in development. He might not give us a straight answer, but the question should still be asked and persisted upon. A possibility that I haven’t seen brought up is that Faber wants to bring back Bionicle, so he’s trying multiple product ideas to bring it back, and he doesn’t know which of those product ideas will succeed or not. An emotional goal like Bionicle’s return can go through several supporting logical goals before it reaches fruition through sheer dedication and determination. Eventually Faber will bring back Bionicle or die trying.

It took us 10 years to figure out the giant robot thing, I’ll give you that. Still, we could try.

My best guess is that we’re supposed to do something with Faber’s ideas, as the fans. Unless he is designing a Choose Your Own Adventure story with multiple entrances, but the amount of decision making he’s given is too much for that.

  • I want to relive Bionicle G1 story as it was, forever.
  • I want to have a Bionicle G1 continuation
  • I want a completely different Bionicle story
  • I want someone else to decide this question for me because I am sick of this debate because we have been having it for YEARS!!
  • I don’t care
  • Other
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This sounds like iTunes.

I thought we were talking about cryptocurrency, which burns GPU electricity to mine. RIP BioniCoin. XD

Okay, after reading the article, it seems more like the sale of copyright, or copyright sharing, rather than a digital file giveaway. Because as an artist I can just set up a Wordpress shop and sell digital copies of my artwork for $5 a pop without any blockchain getting involved. Granted, that would be a security nightmare from Karzanhi to stop my work from getting scalped by 5-year-olds with Google, but it is possible without relying on crypto.

(Now compare the energy used by crypto mining with the net environmental impact of the Federal Reserve Building, if you’re using real money.)

As I am philosophically opposed to all things Micheal Bay, I must oppose this plan.

That isn’t canon. :stuck_out_tongue:

Well, blue streak. I guess he’s going to merge his Bionicle ideas with Rebel Nature now? That’s kind of disappointing. I guess I’ll turn on KMFDMs’ “Bait and Switch” and mourn what could have been, though I think Faber is still messing around in ideas mode and I think he could be encouraged to develop the Bionicle stuff on its own.

Still, if Faber has moved on to environmentalism, I’m not sure I want his environmentionicle. I’d rather have a G1 continuation. picks Greg up by the scruff of the neck and tells him to finish the serials

Still, even if Faber is an impossible business partner, I would consider looking at Faber’s art as inspiration for a new Bionicle story. That’s probably the good we got from this here.

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If TTV posts were explosions, this one would be a supernova

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Okay, but if he wants us to do something, I’d think we’d be reasonably entitled to know what that is. If he’s expecting us to do all the heavy lifting to show lego or whoever that Bionicle is still a profitable franchise, that ship has long sailed. I mean we’ve been hitting it out of the park with art, mocs, the lego ideas project, and its been going nowhere. The fact that Faber hasn’t seemingly taken notice or acknowledged this aspect of the Fandom is sorta frustrating. He keeps asking us to do what we’re already doing as though we aren’t doing it.

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The one thing I didn’t expect to see on the boards today was a necronovel quoting posts from over a year ago on a topic practically beaten to death by arguments

So I direct you to this post

And this extremely recent post

And Faber’s extremely consistent social media trend of basically telling people who maybe question how there’s no info about anything to get lost if they don’t have the patience to sit through his vision. I’m not certain about the majority of the Bionicle community on this, but I’m not looking for a savior - I just want to know what Faber’s doing, from Faber’s mouth, and the amount of time it would take is miniscule compared to the amount of complaints he’s received for not answering the most simple of questions: Is there an end product?

Pre-product reveal, there’s no other way to go about it. If the product social media profile exists, then the product itself has been revealed. Faber’s been dumping info at us for three years now without even giving us the most basic of information as to what it is we’ll be receiving for our continued support and interest - large-scale companies that produce a limited selection of products do this all the time with the end result being something inside that limited selection of products or, inversely, something just outside it and teased in a clear way that informs you ‘this is something new and different, so be excited.’ LEGO and Nintendo did this with LEGO Mario without having to say anything else, and fans understood it and the general premise instantly.

However, Faber has promised a product without ever saying what that product is or even if it’s a product. He’s posted logos, concept arts, planned business meetings, and yet somehow all in a way that defies us from knowing what it is he’s trying to generate hype for. You could argue that, perhaps, he’s not trying to generate hype, but simply sharing his thoughts, except he’s posting logos for the end product multiple times. In addition to the concept art, he’s essentially sharing the entirety of his pitch material outside of what the product actually is because ???.

And I have one piece of evidence to prove he’s hyping people up for the return of a Bionicle product (specifically his) which is utterly irrefutable:

You have expectations based solely off of what he’s posted.

You’re expecting the end product to be something distinctly Bionicle and identifiable as such.

And, You’re expecting an end product.

None of these are unreasonable takeaways, but according to Faber, if you’re under the impression that He is making a thing and telling you about it in order to get you hyped, You’re the one at fault for coming to such an erroneous conclusion. There’s no promise here, except the developmental concept art and the multiple logos and the talks of business meeting and the holding interviews with TTV about it.

Where he’s going, he doesn’t need the hype or the “fans” that “don’t get the project.”

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So maybe, if Faber doesn’t want people that refuse to be yes men about his pet project he keeps teasing and has for three years without giving a single concrete detail about any of it while simultaneously blaming people who just want the most basic of info for not being smart enough to comprehend his genius, (if you limit the amount of commas in a post it becomes a valuable resource, trust me it’s true) then maybe where we’re going, we don’t need Faber.

Just a thought. I know you read the topic, Faber. Please consider it.

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I mean, aren’t we all? :stuck_out_tongue:

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And the nothing continues.

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