Hello everyone, I am curious about something i just read on the Farshtey feed and I just don’t understand what he means by the Makuta would shut down? They aren’t exactly machines and I doubt they would just shut down even after their purpose was accomplished even if they didn’t betray Mata Nui, it just doesn’t seem right to me, does anyone else think it sounds odd? It was stated in a Q&A that went like this: On why the Great Beings chose to prepare a contingency for killing loose Toa rather than loose Makuta: “[I]f the Makuta hadn’t betrayed Mata Nui, things would have gone as they were supposed to – the planet would have been reformed, Mata Nui would have shut down, and the Toa, Makuta etc. would have all shut down too. So the Makuta wouldn’t be a threat to anyone.”
Mata nui created the Makuta not the great beings
Quote from bs01
Around 100,000 years ago, the Makuta species were created by Mata Nui on an island in the far south of the Matoran Universe. He formed their bodies out of a green liquid created by the Great Beings.[2][3] Mata Nui created one hundred members of the species, eighty-five male and fifteen female,[[4]](Makuta - BIONICLEsector01
Source: Makuta - BIONICLEsector01
The great beings made the Toa and therefore made a contingency plan for if they became corrupt
Quote from bs01
Wary of the threat the Toa could pose to the inhabitants of Spherus Magna if they came into conflict, the Great Beings created a living weapon to hunt down and destroy Toa. They named it Marendar,
Source: Marendar - BIONICLEsector01
While I cannot answer the first part of your question I can answer the second part.
This knowledge coming out would have given MU residents a very strong motive to enact revenge against the Great Beings
Imagine knowing as soon as you returned home you were designed to simply stop existing
Yeah, really… I wonder if that would’ve had anything to do with the Great Being Civil War that was eventually planned. From the sounds of things, the MU residents have a lot of reasons to be a little angry with their creators.
Also perhaps originally the Makuta would have been able to shut down after their task was complete but since they evolved from biomechanical beings into beings of energy they could no longer “shut down” like was intended.
Makes me think, the total Shutdown of the Matoran Universe might have been one of the intended purposes of the Mask of Lifes Countdown. If that was the case, Makuta would still be affected and everything makes sense.
Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m just pulling this from memory:
The original plan of the GBs was to build a second robot while the first was traveling around, and upon return of it, Mata Nui would take over teh new robot, while it was Teridax’s destiny to take over the GSR. If the GSR had been shut down afterwards, that would potentially effectively have shut down Teridax, too.
Also I’m not sure if we have anything explicitly stating that the GBs necessarily intended more than one Makuta - Teridax - to be created. So based on that it could be that Mata Nui decided on his own to create more Makuta, which the GBs couldn’t really have foreseen.
But especially on that latter thing I’m not entirely sure if I remember it correctly.
Both of these would also make sense, though.
As a third option - the Makuta might have behaved a certain way had they possessed the information they were intended to have. The information the original Antidermis in the Antidermis pool still possessed and granted Brutaka.
I don’t know of anywhere this ever appeared, not sure where you got this from.
The first robot the GBs built was the failed prototype robot that exploded. The second was the GSR, which was always intended to house Mata-Nui. It’s my assumption that, upon the GSR’s intended return and reformation of the planet, Mata-Nui and all the MU inhabitants would have been shut down.
The Makuta, however, where never intended to be made by the GBs. They were strictly Mata-Nui’s creations. So, really, they never intended for any Makuta, and it certainly wasn’t Teridax’s destiny to inherit the GSR.
From BS01 (though admittedly uncited):
Teridax was intended for a different purpose by the Great Beings: His destiny was to, at the end of Mata Nui’s mission, take over the Great Spirit Robot while Mata Nui inhabited a second one. The two would then work together in harmony to reform Spherus Magna - however, Teridax was unaware of this.
And given that the Rahi were somehow important to the MU, it stands to reason that Mata Nui was programmed to create Makuta. Also the GBs went to all the trouble of programming the GSR’s mission into the Antidermis and then putting a pool of it into the MU.
They did not create the Makuta themselves, but they did very likely intended for them to be created.
I see, and I actually found where this is from, it’s from Destiny War Chapter 6. Brutaka reveals to Axonn the Makuta’s forgotten knowledge after he falls into the Antidermis pool.
Yea, I see now it’s possible that at least Teridax was always meant to be made (no idea why, GBs as odd as always), but the Antidermis itself doesn’t have anything programmed into it. It was an accidental byproduct of Protodermis. So, the pool in the MU was meant to make Teridax, but Mata-Nui made more Makuta to populate the MU with Rahi.
Since the Antidermis is linked to all Makuta, and Mata-Nui made the Makuta, they know of the Shattering and Spherus-Magna through Mata-Nui.
This is a lore fragment I did not previously know, and I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t alter my perceptions of events.
I see it slightly differently: Yes, Antidermis is a byproduct of Protodermis, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be programmed. And while Mata Nui created the Makuta, he didn’t create the Antidermis which possessed the knowledge about the Shattering. Hence it’s likely that the GBs programmed said knowledge into the Antidermis. Also important to note is, that during their creation, the Makuta lost said knowledge, hence it would be strange if it was tied to Mata Nui.
At this point it goes into fan theories, but what I imagine beyond that is the following:
The Antidermis has a mind of itself (that bit is canon as evidenced by Brutaka). Maybe originally it was planned for all Antidermis to stay linked and share this mind. However, due to Mata Nui creating more minds than planned - 100 Makuta instead of just 1 - this effectively split the mind into too many individual parts, so that only the ur-mind in the Antidermis pool retained the information, while the split off minds (the Makuta) forgot about it. This could also mean that the Antidermis ur-mind is the combined personality of all 100 Makuta and vice versa each individual Makuta’s personality is a sliver of the Antidermis ur-mind. Which would in turn mean that the originally intended Teridax wouldn’t have been Teridax, but just Makuta, and an entirely different character. “Teridax” would only have been the part of this character needed to control the GSR.
Worth remembering that the MU inhabitants weren’t originally planned to be sapient - that was something introduced secretly by Velika.
The Great Beings’ plan was to create robot-like entities so it isn’t too far-fetched to imagine them shutting down after their purposes were fulfilled.
Well, actually only the Matoran were non-sapient. Everyone else was sapient from the start (see for example the Toa Mata and their training at the hands of the Order of Mata Nui before launch of the GSR).
It is true, however, that the Awakening affected everyone in the MU to some degree (for example Teridax betraying Mata Nui I think was attributed to that). Possibly there were some core programmings in the various species that originally weren’t supposed to be changable, but the Awakening unlocked them, thus giving the MU inhabitants true mental freedom.
it may have been a carried over idea from the early idea of makuta being a virus in the mechanical mata nui, so maybe it was originally a differnt program type that was capable of being shut down
So… Makuta as we saw him in ‘01, with Teridax being simply the side of his personality that likes to give “I am nothing” speeches?
So, you mean like the scene where the creepy robot breaks Asimov’s 3 Laws at the end of S.H.I.E.L.D., Season 4?