The Beginning of the New Chronicle (LEGO Ideas Project)

I have a few of them (all in blue color), but LEGO still has not released a lime version, so it was impossible to include such brick in a project being a physical model :confused:

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Since my project finally managed to collect its first 500 supporters, I decided to make my first update and got rid of the alleged “illegal building techniques”.

To be honest, I don’t believe it’s illegal to put studs in pin holes, as LEGO themselves have used this technique many times, but I’ve met people outright telling me they won’t vote for my project just because of how I built my Matoran’s knees and elbows, so I rebuilt it a bit. Base photos on project’s page are unchanged, but in the “updates” tab, you can find same photo as the one attached here:

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It sucks that people were complaining about this. The new designs look good, but I wish some people would be polite enough to not complain about something so minor.

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There was much more reasons. But most of them was even more stupid :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve fixed this one thing because if this technique is really problematic, there’s some probability that LEGO could reject my project in the future because of it. And now, they have two designs and can pick one that looks more attractive for them. After all, creative team would make changes in my design anyway.

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I understand that that is a concern but if I had to be honest I prefer the original design. However both still look good.

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Agreed, if we can’t trust the primary reference point, than who can we trust?

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Putting a single stud in a pin hole is fine. The concern about illegal techniques is that it’s illegal to put a stud in both sides of a single pin hole.

I don’t know the official source for this, but that’s the difference that I’ve seen pointed out in various parts of the community.

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This is just wrong. I’ve seen videos of them doing it all the time. Off that part I feel like even if the project has enough up votes, every bionicle design that does make it, for some reason Lego still won’t do it. Has anyone else noticed that?

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What’s the conspiracy here? Lego doesn’t want to make a Bionicle IDEAS set, so they don’t. The vast majority of Ideas that get the 10,000 votes aren’t turned into sets.

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I wasn’t trying to create a conspiracy. I was just asking if anyone else noticed. Still would be cool if one of them did make it. Honestly, I can see why they won’t, especially if they want to create a good storyline for this new one.

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I think, LEGO Creative Team and whoever is responsible for decision making do understand that bringing back BIONICLE as System-based series makes no sense. BIONICLE has three crucial aspects that make series unique:
-this is the only dark fantasy from LEGO, full of edgy moments
-the series had rich lore and was full of secrets that took years to be solved and gave rise to various theories
-it was the only Technic based line not focussed on real-life vehicles

Current management prefers to play it safe, so the brutality and darkness that were taken for granted 20 years ago seem unattainable for today’s LEGO, despite the greater focus on adult-oriented sets. There is no story-driven series aimed at teenagers.

Building an aura of mystery requires a certain amount of work. LEGO should aim with G3 to repeat the FNAF phenomenon - to make YouTubers record theories and children talk about them in school. But to interest children, you have to build that slightly disturbing aura that will distinguish BIONICLE from the likes of Ninjago.

There is no point in making BIONICLE a system series, because as long as Ninjago exists, the series will suffocate any new original series. Ninjago’s success has sunk Legends of Chima and Nexo Knight, it is slowly eating away at the Dreamzzz series, and Monkie Kid is mainly holding on thanks to the Asian market. But as a series based purely on LEGO Technic, BIONICLE would have no competition in terms of the sets themselves. The plot is a bigger problem, because it is a matter of which employees will be working over it and how few restrictions will be imposed on them. BIONICLE cannot be simplified.

And of course, neither darkness nor secrets can be introduced without a story, which a single set cannot give us. In other words, a LEGO Ideas project must stand on its own. You can’t think of it as the start of a new series, but more as a tribute to the previous generation.

LEGO usually releases 1-2 sets based on popular US licenses, with a focus on old classic movies/shows, and 3-4 dust collectors aimed at people who are not into LEGO but are willing to pay 3 times more for a LEGO replica of some design element, such as the infamous typewriter.

Previous LEGO Ideas projects related to BIONICLE were purely System-based. And failed in Review stage. I made a small exception to the rule and did my best to hit those tones that are most associated with BIONICLE. Yeah, I am almost certain that if I manage to gather 10k supporters, my project will share the fate of its predecessors. BUT there is one “but” - LEGO has often released rejected LEGO Ideas sets under the LEGO Icons logo. The original author does not receive a share of the sales then, nevertheless, the project has a chance to see the light of day (Honestly, I don’t care so much about my shares anyway). And in light of the upcoming 25th anniversary of BIONICLE, there is a chance that if my project will finish collecting votes early enough, maybe LEGO will be inspired by it and give us a well-deserved set commemorating the series. Because let me remind you once again that among Castle, Space, Pirates and even Adventures - the series that collected the most votes in the voting on the occasion of the company’s 90th anniversary - only the winner of first place in the eliminations - BIONICLE - did not received a dedicated set.

TL;DR, It’s worth to keem sending new project and supporting them, regardless of past results.

At the end, a simple proof of the truth of my words:

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The truth is that LEGO has never actually specified this. I did my own research before submitting my project to LEGO Ideas and from what I found, LEGO has broken the rule you mentioned several times. So… I think even the company itself is not sure. Or it IS actually legal and we are perpetuating a myth. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Anyway, I removed the problem from my Matoran just in case, so at least it won’t be a problem if LEGO suddenly decides that my technique is problematic :slight_smile:

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This is the big one. Ignoring the context of your Ideas submission (or any Ideas submission), a full-fledged Bionicle comeback would have to put story first.

Now, reconsidering the context of Lego Ideas:

You’re absolutely right, and I think you’ve picked a really good “focus” for a Bionicle Ideas set. This builds heavily on existing lore and gives existing fans something completely new (we’ve never seen a visual for a Toa of Plantlife, for example), while also requiring basically zero pre-requisite knowledge for new fans; as long as you know what a Toa is, you’re fine. Heck, even if someone has never heard of Bionicle before and has no idea what a Toa is, the set can still appeal to the more general “robot” fans.


I actually came across this exact example myself when I was looking into this a while back, but there’s a bit of a caveat; this model is a magazine-exclusive alternate build, and those magazine builds have significantly less scrutiny when it comes to illegal techniques. There are many examples of magazine builds requiring blatantly illegal, bending-the-plastic, connections (the Pit War Tortoise, for example). If those builds can slip through, then something as subtle as this easily could.

The closest thing I have to source for this is someone else telling me that they got in contact with a Lego set designer who told them that they were told that the technique is illegal, with no further clarification from their boss.

I just wish we knew why it was illegal. If it was as simple as a problem with stress compounding over multiple connections, then fine; it’s illegal. But I’ve seen some people theorize that it’s illegal because it creates an airtight space between the two studs, which would no longer be a problem with open-studded pieces.

We don’t know for sure either way.

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As I’ve said before I believe this is one of the biggest reasons G2 failed.

I also agree that yes even if Lego doesn’t accept this project it will still encourage them to do something with bionicle themselves

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So… about that…

https://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclelego/comments/1kp3jkv/bionicle_masks_of_power_has_been_cancelled/#lightbox

Lego certainly noticed it.

There’s no point in NOT voting for it. Lego ideas doesn’t limit how many ideas you can support. This is a defeatist attitude, and while it’s understandable to have, pushing it on others is a jerk move.

(Edit for clarity: i mean that in response to the people saying it, not Lucasso; i’m quoting lucasso quoting them. Lucasso’s not a jerk, other people are)

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Classic corpo-mismanagement. Still, I never suspected that LEGO will ever follow the steps of hated Nintendo and their anti-consument politic which already became a meme.
Now I’m curious- are people responsible for that decision borderline stupid, does LEGO really want to kill what left of G1, or, what I hope to be the true version, do they think about cooperation with Team Kanohi and using their work to make something more official due to the planned G3?

I cannot go into details without making problems for those involved, but there are certains moves inside LEGO which seem to suggest that the G3 rumors aren’t fake and something will happen.

And LEGO definitelly should know how important Masks of Power was for all BIONICLE fans. It tas the biggest LEGO-related fan project ever. LEGO wouldn’t loose anything if it succeeded. And all what company will gain by killing MoP is further fueling the war between LEGO and fans loyal to BIONICLE theme.

I’ve already asked people more educated about buisness stuff than me about what LEGO can hoping to achieve by doing such PR-ruining move and so far nobody seems to be able to find any arguments which wouldn’t stand LEGO in bad light. We shall see, maybe Team Kanohi is hiding from us some info and we’ll hear some positive news.

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I doubt they’d be working with TK, but i could see this as “we’re releasing a new g3, and we don’t want this to be around to confuse new fans who might think it’s official”. In this case, MoP suffered from being too good; it’s not some simple game someone made in an hour, it actually looked like an official product.

Unfortunately for TK, this means that they most likely don’t know more than we do.

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Yet LEGO was unable to give us such a game since 2025 and they will keep failing at that, because their hands are tied by family-friendly politics preventing them from having games with fun fight systems and actual good-written stories. Seems that LEGO is slowly becoming another Nintendo- a company which is constantly killing fan’s projects, at the same time beeing unable to give anything better.
What’s annoys me the most are BIONICLE “fans” saying that “LEGO has right to do it”. Legally maybe, but there is no excuse for this decision. Especially since LEGO oficially allowed Team Kanohi to make that game and just randomly changed that decision recently, after years of hard work made by devoted fans.
Maybe we should at last start taking example from Zack Snyder’s fans and make Masks of Power our own equivalent of SnyderCut :thinking:
I’ve noticed that some people are already trying to ignite similar hashtag campaigns.

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