THE ELITE SIX (BIONICLE Canon Contest #3: Honor Guard, part 2)

[Rukah]

do you have any ideas on how to improve them then?

[SilvakTheMocist]

Yea that’s what the putting it out of its misery part means

[B3njix]

Agreed, this is some nonsense, in two months no one told me “hey man there is this issue” I was one of the few that finished before the original deadline this is really unfair.

[Willess12]

@B3njix

the shields require to change the composition of the art piece, I mean where exactly do you want me to put kualus’ shield,

In the interest of being constructive, I will point out that, per the rules, the shields can be attached to the Toa’s back. That would likely be the easiest way to have them shown without having to massively redraw the piece.

[ToaKebaka]

@B3njix

Agreed, this is some nonsense, in two months no one told me “hey man there is this issue” I was one of the few that finished before the original deadline this is really unfair.

To add to my fellow auditor’s response, the reason why you were not notified before is quite simple - the auditing process only started recently for all of the entries. All entrants are being handled fairly and equally under the same rules. The omission of shields breaks the following rule:

4e. Artwork cannot significantly modify the aesthetics of the original MOC, either by omission or addition, and must follow the color scheme of the original MOC as closely as possible. For example, additional limbs or significant color shifts would not be allowed.

[Dag]

@Willess12

In the interest of being constructive, I will point out that, per the rules, the shields can be attached to the Toa’s back. That would likely be the easiest way to have them shown without having to massively redraw the piece.

Per TheJerminator’s response to Blue’s entry:

@TheJerminator

Thank you so much for entering! Unfortunately, we’ve detected an issue regarding adherence to the contest rules. The current version of your artwork is missing the shields from both Kualus and Gaaki, which constitutes a significant omission from the original models. If you could please add the shields within the next seven days, your entry will be fully accepted and move on to the polls!

I have to ask, why ask for Iruini to be fixed as well when Blue was not asked to fix either Iruini or Norik, even though neither of their shields are shown there? If it is because Norik and Iruini are not an issue, then why ask for it of B3njix? If it is because they could still be holding their shields in their other hands, which are out of frame, can’t the same be said of B3njix’s Kualus here?

[B3njix]

@ToaKebaka

4e. Artwork cannot significantly modify the aesthetics of the original MOC, either by omission or addition

I thought we were judging the mocs here not iruini or norik, since you know they are not MOCS. I remember the rules especifically said somewhere that artwork did not had to be full body renders, that is why I didn‘t include kualus’s left arm, and we already know how the shield looks anyway

[MaskMaker]

@ToaKebaka

4e. Artwork cannot significantly modify the aesthetics of the original MOC, either by omission or addition, and must follow the color scheme of the original MOC as closely as possible. For example, additional limbs or significant color shifts would not be allowed.

I have seen other Art Entries where limbs and entire chunks of the MOCs have been blocked due to the positioning of characters in a scene or due to background details/objects and yet they haven’t been called out. Would that be considered an omission of parts in that case? The Artist here is not intentionally omitting parts of the MOC in order to significantly alter the aesthetic. It is simply the way the artwork was composed.

[ToaKebaka]

Not all entries are being notified at the same time, so if there are some entries which you think need some adjustments, it is quite possible they will be notified eventually.

[StudentScissors]

It’s the same shield as the others, how is this even omitting a detail? any person would be able to tell what kualus’ shield looks like from context clues.

Not to mention the fact that this art doesn’t show them from the knees down, arguably a far greater ommission, so why is the shield an issue if the legs aren’t?

Who are these rules for?

[B3njix]

BIONICLE Canon Contest #3: Honor Guard, Part 2 (Art) + Part 1 Winners

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If you look at the rules it says:
“ We encourage entrants to illustrate full-body renders of the group, however it will not be mandated.”

So what has that suddenly change? Am I going to get the hammer because I didn‘t show their legs? In that case many entries should be desqualified.

[ToaKebaka]

@B3njix

If you look at the rules it says:
“ We encourage entrants to illustrate full-body renders of the group, however it will not be mandated.”

So what has that suddenly changed? Am I going to get the hammer because I didn‘t show their legs? In that case many entries should be desqualified.

Explanations of the other decisions are coming, but we want to make it clear right now that the legs are not an issue.

[Racie02]

Wasn’t the point of including Norik and Iruini only so we could have a full team photo to put on the “Toa Hagah” wiki page? So why do they need to be ‘fully equipped’? They’re just there as team filler, we aren’t canonizing them.

[Eljay]

@B3njix

This is ridiculous, I finished my entry months ago, even before the original deadline was extended, no one, absolutely no one said anything about the shields or the eyes, had the deadline not been extended it would have advanced to the polls, and now out of freaking nowhere I have to go back and fix these “issues”, the eye colour is an easy fix but the shields require to change the composition of the art piece, I mean where exactly do you want me to put kualus’ shield, and I don’t understand why Iruini’s shield is necessary. I will fix the eye colour but the shields I can’t promess I will be able to make them. This is absurd.

While we’re regretful you weren’t advised earlier, the way things stand now is that you are being notified. If you need an extension, we can look into one. You’re also not being requested to add full shields to these characters, just indications that they exist on them (like you already do with Norik, Gaaki, and Bomonga). A shield showing through on Iruini’s back, or part of one on Kualus’ arm would be fine.

So while we apologize for the delay in notification, that’s really about it. It’s unfortunate that it took so long, but we’re here now and we’re making this request so your entry can move forward.

@Racie02

Wasn’t the point of including Norik and Iruini only so we could have a full team photo to put on the “Toa Hagah” wiki page? So why do they need to be ‘fully equipped’? They’re just there as team filler, we aren’t canonizing them.

Imagine for a moment that we’re canonizing an image of the Toa Mata, and Gali is illustrated without her hooks. Gali has hooks, but the image doesn’t show them. That’s the situation that is attempting to be avoided.

[Dag]

@Eljay

A shield showing through on Iruini’s back, or part of one on Kualus’ arm would be fine.

So no word yet on this?

@Dag

I have to ask, why ask for Iruini to be fixed as well when Blue was not asked to fix either Iruini or Norik, even though neither of their shields are shown there? If it is because Norik and Iruini are not an issue, then why ask for it of B3njix? If it is because they could still be holding their shields in their other hands, which are out of frame, can’t the same be said of B3njix’s Kualus here?

You did sort of answer the first part, affirming that it is an issue and should be corrected, which I understand and somewhat agree with, but then Blue should have to correct it too. That is, again, unless it is exempt due to being out of frame, but in that case, B3njix shouldn’t have to fix Kualus because its the exact same situation.

EDIT: As you also said, a shield could simply be added to their backs, so I don’t see how having their hands out of frame would be a valid exemption, so there is no reason Blue shouldn’t have to fix Norik and Iruini, if the ruling on B3njix’s entry is the standard. That should be corrected on the response to Blue.

[Blue]

I’ve had a second response telling me to fix Iruini only.

Given this is a topic of apparent debate, I await a final say.

[Eljay]

Looking at the topic, whatever is being requested by anyone with the custom title “Canon Contest Entry Auditor” are official requests.

[Blue]

I just want to know when they’re done making requests.

[ToaKebaka]

@Blue

Given this is a topic of apparent debate, I await a final say.

@Blue

I just want to know when they’re done making requests.

The debate is over. This is the final say regarding the shields. All shields need to be at least partially visible.

[B3njix]

Alright, I really want to get this thing over with, I understand there have been many problems during this contest, so I will make the corrections requested on the following days.