There are around 30 Chima sets still on the shelves at my local TRU, as of yesterday. There were are five or six copies each of the Mammoth Fortress, Crominus Rescue and Bear Mech, as well as 2014 sets like the Fangar Ice Walker and Mammoth Walker.
Regarding Nexo Knights, I think it’s going to be a three year theme at least. It seems to be doing quite well based on multiple reports from here and EB.
If I had to guess where these new monsters are coming from I would say they are gargoyles from Rockland (On the official map) that Monstrox possessed with his lightning.
Someone on EB also pointed out that there are 9 unfilled set numbers that correlate to NK in the database, although two have turned out to be January exclusives. I would expect a slightly smaller wave this summer before they go all out for the theme’s third year.
Ninjago’s first and second season had 13 episodes each. Thus 26 episodes in total.
Legends of Chima’s first season had 20 episodes while its second season (which is in the box set, made up of both the outland season and the fire and ice season) had 21 episodes. thus 41 episodes in total.
would anyone mind explaining me why Nexo Knight resived two seasons in one year instead of one season, especialy given how the plot did not change betvine the two seasons like it does in Ninjago and Chima.
same goes with Journey to One, for some odd reason, they resive a second season, even though its part 2 of the first season.
It is separate and defined as its own thing, link i gave demonstrated this and gave a source.
It was replaced by Castle, but that doesn’t mean the theme became Castle
Castle existed before and after the Ninja theme and as it states, as sourced from official Lego books, it was a separate thing. It just didn’t do well so they gave up on Ninja’s and went back to doing Castle.
It was separate, it even states it, and it links back to the original source which is verified and is official Lego merchandise from 2009.
Granted Ninja and Castle were possibly merged for Ninjago - however the Ninja theme is its own them
That’s a considerably unfair question given that Lego only started doing TV shows for its themes a few years back and we’ve only had a limited time. A better question would be asking which themes were planned for three years yet cancelled beforehand.
Out of the TV shows for individual IP’s there is only Fabuland, Hero Factory, Chima and Bionicle. Out of which;
Fabuland’s TV series barely lasted a year while the theme lasted for 10
With Hero Factory, Ordeal of Fire, Brain attack and Invasions from Below were more like specials
Chima’s TV series only lasted two years
You discounted Bionicle, though for the record that lasted a single year (As the previous animations are not counted as a TV series)
There is more previous data to suggest that a Castle theme will end on or before the three year mark - because as i said, there are more Castle themes.
Judging the longevity based on a singular caste theme out of the many that existed would present skewed results. The average of all the Castle themes together is just slightly lower than two years.
When using Brickset if you display all sets for a year then it will include everything that is given the label, even if its not technically a set by most people’s definition. I guess in terms of overall Lego released merchandise Brickset may be having some issues as its now saying there was 718 total in 2014.
Either way, that’s 718 items altogether. It doesn’t define sets exactly the same, it defines it by ‘anything released by Lego under the title of one of the themes’. While the subtheme has 28 sets, the overall ‘Lego Movie’ percentage of merchandise took up roughly 10% of the year’s merchandise.
A singular movie (e.g. The Lego Movie) i cant see having too much effect on the surrounding themes, other than a possible lack of promotion.
Though from a business standpoint if they were releasing two movies which overall would end up having more merchandise and sets that most other themes, then I’d expect them to ■■■■■ the focus to those movies and potentially draw funding from other areas.
It is my concern that this may happen to Nexo Knights. It was introduced as a ‘big bang’ theme… but does Lego really need another big bang theme right now? Bionicle had potential, so did Chima but they were kind of abandoned by Lego.
With a Lego Batman movie that will no doubt prove to be popular followed by a Lego Ninjago movie which may be equally as popular and a shifting focus by Lego to have movie-based sets… i can easily see them neglecting Nexo Knights in favour of focusing on the movie-verse which may get to the stage of having a Lego movie roughly once a year
2017 Winter - Lego Batman Movie
2017 Summer - Lego Ninjago Movie
2019 Winter - Lego Movie 2
? - Billion Brick Race
They probably didn’t think the stories for each season were substantial enough for only one per year, and I can understand this. I enjoy the story but it wouldn’t work very well with only one season.
I’m sorry, but if all you’re going to source is Wikipedia, I see little credibility in your argument. Bare in mind that anyone can edit those articles. I could go to Wikipedia right now and edit it to say that Bionicle was confirmed by Lego as a government conspiracy designed to take over the world. I don’t think your “evidence” can be trusted if anyone can edit it.
Also, is Brickset official? If not, that is also not an extremely reliable source of information for something that only has to do with how the categories are set up.
Here’s my only issue with this point. Ninja, by nearly every account, is a Castle theme. It was replaced by a Castle theme, it uses countless historical elements similar to a castle theme. Let’s also consider what exactly happened in 1998. Fright Knights, LEGO’s Castle subtheme that was in production at the time, had been canceled. Seeing how Ninja came out the same year, is listed as Castle by a far majority of the community, keeps elements from the theme, and the Castle theme had no basic sets released from 1998 to 1999 (a.k.a 66.6% of Ninja’s lifespan), I think it is fair to say that it is a Castle theme.
Okay, I’ll admit I was wrong here, but…
We don’t know what the plan for the Edward and Friends tv show was. Also, let’s consider when it was released; 1987. LEGO’s business practices were a lot different back then and comparing it to how they take care of their themes today is unwise.
Because that’s how LEGO decided to deliver its story. These story themes all have one thing in common, and it’s not having a TV show. It’s the fact that they have something to communicate their story. Mixels used shorts, BIONICLE used books, games, movies, and comics, and Ninjago used a weekly to bi-weekly show.
My point was that nearly every theme that was given a show received at the very least three years, or was given the chance to.
Yeah, you got me on this one. Since it had three seasons, I kind of just gave it the benefit of the doubt and came to my own conclusion that it lasted three years. Did they group in the second and third seasons together because the theme was not doing too hot? Maybe, but it still doesn’t discount that it only lasted two and three quarters years.
My apologies.
The only reason I discounted BIONICLE was for the funky way it delivered its story. It started off as the web animations, which kind of put it into the same field as Mixels, but with the release of the show, it went a few steps higher up the ladder. It just didn’t work like the other themes with shows.
And judging a theme off of lines that are treated completely different would also present skewed results.
So instead of accounting for what LEGO mainly paid for, the sets, we’re accounting for other forms of merchandise that most likely were payed in large part by the studio behind The LEGO Movie. Yes, the extra non-LEGO products make up a percentage of the total amount of products LEGO sold, but they more likely than not didn’t hurt other theme’s budgets.
I hope LEGO wouldn’t try to draw funds from other themes, mainly because they made a metric ton from TLM. Wouldn’t it be a wiser idea to take the earnings they made from that movie and put it into their future products? Seeing how countless companies try such a practice, it’s my personal guess that they would do it too.
On page 64 of the “Lego Castle” section, it claims “Despite their unusual, non-European setting, the Ninja sets were an official part of the LEGO Castle theme.”
the outlands season was the shortest “season” in Chima’s run. to the point were one could just as well call it a mini season rather than a full on season.
its why Season 2 of Chima usualy have both the outlands story and the fire and ice story together.
I have a question for you all, do you think we’ll get versions of the characters with hair at some point?
As much as I love the helmet designs I would like to be able to have the knights dress a little more casually. Though I’m not entirely sure how they would work unarmored versions of the minifigs into the set line-up.
Possibly. Though a few of the minifigs would call for new hair pieces/recolors, three of the five have already been produced via their keychain counterparts.
It looks like LEGO will be releasing a pack of random Nexo Powers:
I did ask if someone had the book to double check the source, now that you have i admit that i was incorrect about the definition of the theme as being part of the Castle line. My information was based on the Wikipedia article which has now been shown as inaccurate/incorrectly listed.
Though if Ninjago is a castle theme and Nexo Knights is a castle/space theme - then surely this makes it even more likely that one will end up being phased out for the other at some point. Either that or one (probably Ninjago) will have to keep distancing itself from being castle in order to stand out. Admittedly though the separation of Knights and Ninja’s may help the longevity i suppose.
The bullet points for the varying TV themes were just to demonstrate that aspect. Only a few had what is defined as TV shows, and out of those only a few had what could be classed as a series. Plus the TV shows seemed like they were generally made to boost the popularity of the themes or simply to experiment in different markets - i don’t think its fair to judge a TV show’s potential cancellation as a way to judge the end of a series.
Nexo Knight’s TV show could end in 2017 Winter but the theme could go on till 2018, alternatively we could have a ‘Bionicle’ happen where the TV Show is technically released after the last wave of sets.
I was aiming for a broader spectrum, what sort of reception does a theme with knights and castles end up getting with Lego. Granted its not comparing each individual theme within the broad category, but overall i thought it would give a more accurate idea of how long a Castle theme generally lasts.
It is possible to go through all the sets specifically, however there isn’t an easy way to do this and it would mean checking every theme - so for the sake of time i just used the overall merchandise. Though admittedly you are correct there are likely other products listed and presumably a few market deals.
I can see it working in a sort of ‘push/pull’ method personally.
Before the movie the focus is on getting the movie ready with the best designers working on the sets. In my view this could mean that sets suffer in the lead-up to the movie, for example the 2017 Winter Wave of Ninjago sets will likely end up being overall weaker in terms of design compared to the 2017 Summer wave when the movie is out.
When the movie is released, focus would be drawn away from other themes in terms of marketing - and the majority of the general audience would be encouraged to buy sets from the new movie rather than from other themes which wouldn’t have gotten a movie.
After the movie hype has passed, things start to return to normal with any profits generated being used to improve the sets that are being released and/or generally help the company such as opening new stores, etc…
Honestly, and I hate to say it, I think it’ll be Ninjago if this happens. They’re already rebooting the story for the movie, which tells me they’ve run out of ideas. Ninjago has been around 6 years already, almost 7. It’s going to face Bionicle syndrome eventually, where everything is too specific to add to and they just can’t do anything else.
