Work around the carvings and I still prefer the elegant design of KhingK’s. The wheel has been successfully reinvented.
With great power comes great responsibility. Vote for what fits the description of canon best, not what conveniently happens to exist.
That’s a fair point. Any Mask of Creation made by the fans tries to emulate the elegant crown-like visage of the G2 variant without taking into account the cultures in the universe… Although, to be fair, the visual representation of many of those cultures or which ones (the Skakdi are unlikely as they were physically manipulated by Spyriax) would probably be drastically different since Artakha’s Mask of Creation has existed since before many of those cultures would form.
The g2 mask of creation fits the description of the g1 MoCr to a tee. You want to say the runes on it are okotan? Yes, they are, in G2. This is g1. Okoto doesn’t even exist in g1. The runes can have whatever meaning we want to give them in g1, because this is g1 and not g2.
And you want to say it isn’t part of the G1 aesthetic because it didn’t originate in g1? All right. By that logic, the mask of psychometry isn’t part of the g1 aesthetic. No design we give the mask of creation, or even arty himself, is part of the g1 aesthetic by that logic.
I’m not saying that the mask of create should look like the g2 version. I’m saying that there’s no good reason it *shouldn’t". In the end, it’ll be up to the voters in the art contest.
You are definitely right that the Mask would have been made before the Awakening. But I believe that certain species would still have certain cultures. The AI was still extremely advanced before Velika did his thing. For example, the Vortixx made things for the rest of the universe, even if they were not doing it with sapience.
And hence you have the problem. Clearly written Okotan… In G2. The continuity is shattered.
Yes, but they’d be identical to G2, and this has ramifications.
Since they’re identical, does this mean that Okotan was invented in G1? Are G1 and G2 connected? You see the kind of canon nightmare this causes and it’s why I will absolutely not vote for any artwork that uses the MoC with Okotan runes, and why I think Greg, if he’s paying attention, will never approve it.
Oh no this is going to become the new Hoseryx isn’t it
Why change from a stone donut to a wooden spoked wheel? In fact, why have differently designed hubcaps?
Personal preference, and personally, I don’t want to deal with the pain of having to explain away the runes. It’s far easier to just use the arguably better community-made masks.
If you don’t want to listen to the canon argument, It doesn’t change its importance. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Would Velika plan his machinations that far ahead of schedule, just to bring about a symbolic reference to strengthen his creations’ belief in their own powerful entity, of which only a small handful would ever see?
Yes, I try to go with the same vision on my entry, every mask of 3D that came after the Ekimu’s mask is a variation with somethings that share in common and others that not, that’s why it exist the Art contest for the mask, to see something completely different or not, seeing something that has a little bit of everything we know about.
But something I don’t agree to much is the Three virtues symbol inclusion on the future mask, sure existed in the bionicle universe since the born of the Matoran Universe, but I don’t think that it could reflect something of what the Skakdi or the Zyglaks may follow, also we know that all the other species that came after 2003 were because of the expansion of the history, such as dark hunters, skakdis, vortixx, makuta as an species, so the TVS may go more with the matoran, toa and turagas.
@Hehe_Hoho I think I should mention something important about the canon that everyone is collaborating in the process, Importance of the character, I don’t think I could speak by all the community but something I may be sure is that a helmet from hero factory might not be the best option for Artakha’s mask, since this last one It’s a character with so much importance in the story and not all might wanna seeing him wearing a piece of HF that we know.
A helmet could be for some other character but with not as such relativity as Artakha, the perfect example I could introduce here is the dead of Botar by the hands of Icarax, at the time of Island of Doom, everyone could recognize Botar in his brief shows and at some point they started to recognize as a popular character, but being kill by Icarax just to show how evil one character was is something I guess no one likes it, you just could take any other member of the Order without a name or 10 of them at could have the same results.
With this I could say that Importance is something we should worry about and that’s why Artakha’s mask is something of the highest of it.
I know I’m not going to change discussion by commenting this, but I don’t think the rules are going to change. The G2 mask is not going to be the G1 mask, so what’s the argument about?
You would not stave off the issue this way, only encourage the theories. A similar language only increases the reasoning that they created it beforehand.
But arguing
They’re so rare on this site how can we go without
It means that there’s a few similar symbols, nothing more, nothing less. We don’t even know if they have the same meaning.
Okay, let me ask you this:
If an artist were to draw a MoCr with the same shape as the g2 version, but with different symbols, or without symbols, would you vote for it (assuming you liked the art, or course)
Not saying you should or shouldn’t, I’m just curious.
I doubt many artists will be making a winner-worthy artwork with the G2 MoC. On a different side though, it would almost be a bigger pain for 3D modelers to make the already existing mask but with different tiny details rather than just make the new mask from the canon design
Do you not see that as a problem? This contest’s purpose is to explain the universe, not make more questions
GREG APPROVED IT THAT MEANS THEY’RE CONNECTED IT"S LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME MASK
Depending on the competition, I might.
The shape would still be identical to the G2 version though, so maybe if it were modified a bit. Keep the same general look, but make it more archaic and fitting better with the world of G1. Angrier would help; the G2 MoC always looked slightly worried, not very befitting of Artakha. Similar symbols are alright, but nothing even slightly comparable to G2 in terms of meaning.
It wouldn’t be a mess if it was done right. I’m not saying to include the exact piece of Roodaka’s headdress over top of a 1:1 replica of a Skakdi skull. Some skill would be required to blend them together.
A skill that I do not have, but I’m sure someone does.
Just so everyone is aware, we’ll allow this conversation to continue provided it remains civil. However, we’re not mandating the G2 mask for a G1 contest.
That being said, it is entirely possible that the G2 mask can be voted in. Just keep that in mind.
Not really. There was some stylization, and sometimes the Vahi was broken into pieces to look like some clouds or something, but it is unmistakably the same mask.
