No… no… no… definately no. I just think that it should look like a bionicle since it is meant to coexist in the same universe and fit in with the already canon apperances of other characters. I’m going back to the Nikila example the drawing looks great by all means but if you placed her as is next to a group of toa sets on a shelf she’ll look very out of place.
Here’s one example of such rule, “Your moc should be able to stand on a shelf together with other G1 one sets without looking to out of place or to the point that it can be mistaken for a regular Action figure.”
The above rule isn’t too much of a restriction and doesn’t exclude G2 or system parts while still making sure that the G1 look comes across an example of the opposite of this would be the Tuyet moc linked below:
Or the Makuta moc linked by me earlier in this topic.
An example of what I mean would be something like this:
While I agree that the aesthetic should at least look like it belongs somewhere in G1, it’s worth mentioning that G1 had a very distinct range of aesthetics within itself.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that’s a rule, because it’s super subjective. You cited Nikila as an example - I personally feel like, other than maybe the trident, Nikila fits the style and tone of G1 just fine.
Look at the Rahi/DH competition winners, and then compare that to stuff like the Piraka Fusion, Surel & Iron Wolves, the Xian Weapons! contest, etc. - all of these are parts of the Bionicle canon and none of them feel massively out-of-place with the artwork we see elsewhere. Sayger’s artwork is obviously part of the G1 aesthetic - it’s the cannon comic art for two whole years - but a bunch of people would likely say “that doesn’t look G1” if someone submitted a similar styled artwork or MOC for the contest.
So I think the best filter for what is/isn’t “G1” enough to be canon, quite simply, is voting. Not a rule. If it looks too much like it belongs on Okoto, people will say so by withholding their votes.
Idk I believe the mangai and hagah all had uniform armour.
Regardless of whether they were originally from different teams or not, they’re a team now and like
It’s armour. You can replace armour. They very easily could have changed armour so that they all looked uniform.
I highly doubt Makuta would want their hagah teams looking different if they were supposed to act and look like an elite guard. They definitely would have been given new armour so they all matched
I think that’s a good thing to do, but it doesn’t specifically address the issue I raised in the other topic about “contest bias.”
The problem I see is that, when participation in a contest isn’t high, or when the quality of the entries isn’t great to begin with, even the winning entry might not be very good. The quality of the result of the contest can be no better than the quality of the entries. So, I thought it might be a good idea to give the community some sort of “veto power” after the winner is announced as a failsafe, by having everyone vote “yes” or “no” on whether the winner should be submitted to Greg for canonization. Moreover, a second poll would further validate the claim that, yes, this is a MOC that the community is generally satisfied with as a canon representation of the character and does not offend too many people.
I’ll give you an example, which hopefully will convince you that this is a problem worth considering. Suppose you had a contest with four entries, A, B, C, and D, and the results were 26% of votes for A, 24% for B, 25% for C, and 25% for D. A is technically the winner, but only narrowly. Should it be made canon? In the extreme case, up to 74% of voters hate it or at least prefer not to see it made canon. Or, at the other extreme, maybe all of those 74% of voters would be fine with it being canon, but had a different first choice. The purpose of a second poll would be to determine which case you are dealing with. Maybe the votes were split because none of the entries were very good. Maybe it was because all of them were super awesome. You wouldn’t want to canonize the result in the former case, but you would in the latter case. The second poll would be an impartial and fair way of determining which it is.
This problem might very well not be an issue today, though. I just wanted some form of quality control to avoid marginal contest results like, say, these ones:
They’re more like stages of the same contest. Like a Part 1, and a Part 2.
You can enter into one, both, or neither. The choice is yours!
The community is the quality control. Voting for the entry you think is the best is the quality control. The examples you posted were selected by LEGO. The community never had a chance at having input. Very different circumstances.
As an aside, depending on the amount of entries, we’re very likely looking at multiple rounds of voting. But we’re not doing a final “Are we sure sure?” poll. You vote for the one you want. We will present Greg with the numbers (amount of voters, percentages, etc) as we did with the first poll we held last month. At that point, the sign off is up to him.
So make sure to vote. And make sure others that care about this vote.
Well thats because they are all made with elements or parts that makes them still fit with the sets on a shelf.
However I don’t think preventing everything that strives to far from the norm of the “Bionicle astethic.” Is the way to go. I do however want to avoid creations looking like the Tuyet moc in my last post because its design while really cool and amazing on its own, causes contratictions in astethics and design currently in the canon which willt make it awkward in relation to the other inuniverse characters.
Which again I think the previous canon contest winners have done better because they can be displayed with sets without being to awkward except for Nikila(imo).
I have one question. Does that contest apply only to MOC’s or artwork is also suitable? For example if i want to create artistic non-lego image for character (following canoncanonical description of that character) without creating any MOC.
The contests will be MOCs first, to create the appearance of the character. Then an art contest will be held based off that MOC, at which point the winners of both will be sent to Greg for canonization.
Am I really just reading this? What the actual…? Allowing 3D printing and painting in general is bad enough, but this…
We’re talking about MOCing contests here. Also with regards to what other people said above, what’s the point of a MOCing contest if not being able to replicate the builds with official parts in official colours which you can for the most part easily obtain for not too much money?
If you just want pictures for BS01, why not make it a pure artwork contest? Much more leeway there, much less costs involved for everyone and I’d also imagine not as many people would be fundamentally disappointed. Because you need to take liberties to translate art into MOCs and no one would actually expect artwork to be translatable into a physical model 1:1. Hence far more options for both purist and non-purist builds.
This is entirely true, but people don’t work that way. Especially the head/mask of a character is a very important, if not the most important detail. Might be just me, but I already see the community (figuratively) going to arms over the simple question over which mask a specific character should wear.
Best solution I can think of: Just don’t mention mask power anywhere for characters with an unknown one. That way people can decide each on their own what they want. Orde wears something that looks like a Sanok? Could be a Sanok. Could also be something else shaped like a Sanok. Toa Hagah? Well, we know their mask powers, but we don’t know if their masks’ shapes actually match the power. We don’t need to canonically know that. Everyone can decide that on their own.
Couldn’t agree more here.
Though that’s something we can only hope matters to enough people - I’m not saying that it has to matter to them, but I’d ask everyone to really consider this for themselves before any voting takes place.
For example imagine some video game series that’s been around for a while - first part decades ago was pixel art, most modern part is 3D 4k. How would it look if you put a character from the most recent game exactly the way they look into the first game? Would look weird, right? But what if you instead made a modern, much more detailed pixel art character and put it in the first game? Would work better, right?
Of course that’s an extreme example, but it’s the same core problematic. There are amazing modern MOCs around, which are worlds beyond anything we ever saw in G1. But they’re so good, they’d feel out of place back there. The goal for these contests in my eyes is to take modern building techniques we can pull off due to modern parts, mix those with old G1 parts and create a Technic-heavy G1 character which fits right into that world we all care for.
You are, in fact, reading that. If it makes you feel any better, LEGO completely signed off on painted pieces during their Mask Maker Challenge contest in 2015.
The point of a MOCing contest is to build what people believe should be the representation of a character. The rules allow for a great deal of reproducibility, but at no point will that ever be guaranteed for everyone. If your goal is to recreate every character and creature from G1, then I will be curious to see how you come to terms with Charger’s arm blades.
Because we want as much of the community to be involved as possible. We’re not going to just exclude arguably the largest part of any LEGO community - MOCists - from a LEGO contest because you don’t want to paint pieces.
You see individuals voicing their concerns. Up in arms is hyperbole and will very easily be hashed out during the contests.
Then vote for entries that meet your criteria.
We will not be implementing a rule dictating that MOCs must conform to a Generation 1 style. Period. End of story. If you would like me to elaborate as to why, I will be more than happy to do so. But any such rule will not be happening.
Regarding Chargers arms, modified Tahu Nuva swords as for someone trying to recreate all contest winning creations I’ll advice you to check out reddit u/legodetective who has already cracked most dhs and been slowly moving into the Rahi builds.
Couldn’t find any info on this in the topic, sorry if it’s already been asked - are Hero Factory-specific pieces allowed (i.e. chest armor pieces with the H symbol on them)?
That’s fair, but it does raise the question of why the first part of the contest is MOC-exclusive, as opposed to allowing artwork to compete against MOCs in the first phase instead. If, as you have said, the purpose is to create “what people believe should be the representation of a character” - and are additionally allowing 3D printing and unobtainable colours - then MOC’s are not really at any disadvantage to art in this scenario.
If the goal is to create these “visual depictions” in favor of realistic set designs (which I think is absolutely fine, as long as it’s clearly communicated) - then I can’t understand why artwork wouldn’t be allowed as an equal competitor.
I’d be surprised if they’re disallowed, but I know that I won’t be voting for Artakha to have Preston Stormer’s face, that’s for sure.
How did these get approved for the original contest? Did they slip through, or was it legitimately permitted?
G1 has had aesthetics. 2001 - 2003, 2004 - 2005, and then… they all got mixed. You can’t narrow down an actual “aesthetic” for G1 overall because it doesn’t exist. Pistons? Gears? G2 has those.
The look and feel of a set from 2001, or 2003, is completely different than that of one from 2008, or 2009. They’re just not comparable. So how are we expected to make a hard and fast rule that states you must stick to an aesthetic that doesn’t exist? There isn’t something consistent you can point to.
And further, why would we restrict people like that? Why would we decide so much when it should be left up to the people voting for it? If you don’t want a Helryx made entirely out of system and CCBS - don’t vote for it!
Completely allowed.
I actually initially wanted art to be included in the first half. We had wanted essentially a free-for-all of works to be considered. However, it is a bit unfair to put a MOC - something with very physical constraints - up against a piece of artwork, which wouldn’t be hindered quite as much. So this is the compromise, and it is one of many.
Also, it can be understood to a degree as to why it’s so MOC-centric. Because it’s based on the physical product, AKA the backbone of the entire theme. It’s LEGO pieces. It’s a LEGO theme. It makes sense. But again, we wanted an art portion because that’s a huge part of it. But its inclusion isn’t exactly how we initially sought it out.
Well that’s fair, I suppose, but if there was some compromise to allow art to compete (perhaps like the Xian Weapons that had different “divisions” - but then people vote between the top ones of each at the end) I’d be super keen for that, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. The “free-for-all” of works sounds like a super exciting and inclusive community event, in my opinion.
And especially with the amount of editing, 3D printing, digital programs, etc. allowed, the MOCs are practically artwork now anyway. If I can 3D design and print my characters mask and weapons and basically all the important bits in whatever colour and finish I want, why can’t I draw them, too?
Also, a MOC has an advantage that art doesn’t - dimension. If I build one MOC, I can photograph it from 500 different angles in 500 different poses, so long as the figure is flexible enough - but with art I have to start again from scratch each time (unless it’s a 3D render, but then it’s basically modelling anyway) - so I don’t think art would really be at any advantage over the MOC in practice, myself.
I don’t know. In the end, I’m happy with whatever you all settle on - but I would quietly implore you to reconsider this one.
I’m actually still wondering how that got waved through. Though I haven’t yet met a single person who said “this is completely fine”. The average reaction I’ve seen is shrugging it off or calling it heresy.
I’m not saying you should. What I wrote before is merely an appeal to everyone who has a vote to give to at least give the matter a thought.
Actually, while proportion-wise it of course doesn’t always quite fit, I’m personally of the opinion that from '04 on everything definitely looked like it was from the same world. So I’d personally say you could call that “the” G1 aesthetic.
That said, I’m personally not a defender of the hardcore G1 aesthetic. I’m personally favoring a technic-heavy style somewhere between CCBS and G1, as I see it.
And I’m sorry to sound provocative here, but
So why are techniques involving non-Lego allowed? Promoting it not being Lego pieces? Promoting it not being a physical product everyone can easily get, the backbone of the theme for most of us?
