But we also can’t say they are 100% new powers.
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And I don’t think I’m arguing that they’re new powers, just that they are “unknown”. It’s not that complex.
Edit: additionally, if Bomonga’s and Pouks’s masks are never canonized as variants of the Faxon and Kakama, then, for all intents and purposes, they are brand new masks with distinct powers.
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And 'm just saying that Greg has a precedence in these contest not to cannonize details like Kanohi powers or play functions.
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Okay. Clearly someone needs to say this:
Stop it with Tarkur
Tarkur cannot say literally anything in this topic without someone coming in to yell at him for something he said months ago. Twice now he brings up the Hagah contests as an example of something relevant to the current discussion about contests only for someone to only read the words “hagah” and tell him to “let it go”, “stop complaining”. It’s ridiculous.
I get it, Tarkur is blunt and has controversial opinions. But can we at least try to treat him with some civility?
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Tark, we’re not strawmanning your position. We are responding to what you’re saying. You would do well not to assume malice or dishonesty when people point out your inconsistent logic.
- That’s not on the table and never has been. Rider just wants to add a play function to a toy. Greg doesn’t have to approve Rhotuka on Lariska, only that her arm LOOKS like it has a launcher in it. If you understand this, what are you objecting to?
- Greg is not a visual thinker. He didn’t even say what weapons the Yesterquesters had until TTV pressed him on the matter. If he’d never answered that question, should all weapons have been barred from that contest?
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This comparison isn’t exactly wrong, but it’s not quite right either. There’s a difference between “Greg specified this character uses this weapon, but didn’t explicitly say there weren’t others” and “Greg specified that this character has a weapon, but didn’t say what it was”.
The latter allows us to elaborate on a known weapon, while the former introduces something completely new.
It’s tricky to draw an objective line in the sand between the two, but I would place the division at “appearances”: giving Tuyet a shield (hypothetically) introduces a completely new item that has never been seen or referred to, while giving Orde a shield (before his Toa Tool was known) would simply be specifying the appearance of a tool that we already knew existed.
This isn’t a perfect rule (the Rhotuka Launcher that started this whole thing is still in the gray zone of this rule), but it at least gives some degree of objectivity.
(Also, TTV didn’t “press” Greg on their weapons, he gave that information voluntarily)
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I am little bit conflicted. I am a great fan of the design but as you said it has not been said during the story. It could be Lariska always had it but didn’t use?
Mata Nui had a thornax launcher in his set and he never used it. Is the Thornax launcher non canon because mata nui did not use it in story?
If official set can have a non canon extra weapon then lariska can have a minor rhotuka launcher? (although minor part is debatable)
Another argument is that Greg can include it to the story. Miserix was not a lizard or liked lizards before the creator of Miserix made him a lizard and it won the competition.
In the end the Artwork is canon not the moc. Artwork could be prevented to show Lariska shooting rhotukas. But to those who build the model it is nice little bonus.
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The thing about your comparison is that the sets are “most canon” - if the Mata Nui set wielded a Thornax launcher, then it is canon that he wielded it for some length of time, and any fan story that gives him that weapon as part of his arsenal would be fully canon-compliant. That situation specifically is a tricky one but I believe that’s the full implication there.
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Tarkur does rise an important point. I too think Tuyet could not have an axe, or small extra dagger for that matter or a zamor launcher. But I would not be against if someone included a cape for Empress Tuyet.
edit: or maybe i would allow a small dagger? i do allow the rhotuka spinner for Lariska. If tuyets sword split into two smaller ones like Lhikans shield I would support that as well.
I also support the idea that TYQ toa weapons could have double functions. Toa nuvas weapons became fins,lavaboard,wings,skiis, a ball and chainsaw rollerskates. I would like to see mocs whose weapons also transformed.
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Unless the art depicts the weapon in both forms (somehow), a transforming weapon cannot be canonized.
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Looks nice, but I’m confused on how the barbs are attached. Does that work in real life?
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So basically how it works is the Barbs each slot into the reversed side of a stud with a hole in it. The stud part then is connected to the 7L Liftarm. This allows for the Barbs to stay in place better than using a 1/2 pin and allows for a thinner build. I just with the 3L Liftarm was a 3 pinhole version so the bohrok teeth could be replaced with a 1x1 slope.
As far as I can tell from Homer Doo, it should stay connected quite well.
His head is held on by the same connection.
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The Skull Sorcerer’s Dragon set also uses the same connection for its claws, for an official example.
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I actually didn’t know that, so there we go. Official Lego technique.
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Hmoer doo
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I actually really like how the barbs here don’t cover the whole blade, so she can use it like a broadsword is supposed to be used, or she can alternatively RUN THROUGH a hapless target hilt-deep, then pull it out like an epic anime villain for MAXIMUM DAMAGE.
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As far as the Rhotuka launcher is concerned, I get what people are saying. I think it’s worth considering a few different angles.
1: Could it not just be used as a piece, and not intend to fire Rhotuka?
2: Could it not exist on the model, and not necessarily intend to be a Rhotuka launcher?
3: Is it not unreasonable to believe it’s possible that a Dark Hunter, an assassin which may potentially use many different tools, might have an additional utility in a completely robotic arm?
All of these things considered, I think it’d be fair to say we wouldn’t disallow the launcher, but would almost certainly disallow a Rhotuka spinner being used in the traditional sense. Because the inclusion/exclusion of the launcher allows for the potential while avoiding a backdoor weapon canonization through the contest that people are worried about. That way, it can be inquired with Greg at a later time.
To clarify, that is not an end-all, be-all declaration. Just the current perspective and thoughts.
I hope you understand why this phrasing is wildly misleading at best.
These three are all really good examples of the many kinds of designs that would be entirely allowed, even into the art.
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My First BB is allowed!? YEAH! 
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There really do be backwards facing spikes on that sword
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latest one’s my favorite personally
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