BIONICLE G1 Canon Contests Discussion & Questions

[Dag]

You can using stud.io.

[Kodiak]

@TheJerminator

Why does it matter if it’s 3d-printed?

@TheJerminator

@Willess12

Because Dorek.

So you have an Art Contest, as we have been.

Your question has been answered. It shouldn’t matter, but it clearly does.

To clarify my position, I don’t want the mask power to be unnecessarily changed in the art. For example, I wouldn’t want the winning Orde moc to have a 3-D printed Sanok only for it to be thrown away for a fundamentally different mask.

[TheJerminator]

@Kodiak

Your question has been answered.

It hasn’t though. My question is “Why should only 3d printed masks be allowed to be changed in the Art”. That question has not been answered.

[Kodiak]

That’s not my question to answer. I’m not the one hosting these contests.

[Willess12]

@Kodiak

For example, I wouldn’t want the winning Orde moc to have a 3-D printed Sanok only for it to be thrown away for a fundamentally different mask.

Tell that to Artakha.

Winning moc had a 3d MoCr, it got thrown out in the art for a radically different mask

[TheJerminator]

@Kodiak

whatever mask happens to be on the winning moc will probably be canon, unless it’s 3-D printed.

So am I just horribly misinterpreting this statement?

Because, to me, you are saying that traditional masks should be kept in the canon art, while 3d printed masks should be changed. (or at least allowed to be changed)

[Minirigby]

I think me means mask power there

[Kodiak]

@TheJerminator

Because, to me, you are saying that traditional masks should be kept in the canon art, while 3d printed should be changed. (or at least allowed to be changed)

Read what I’m saying. I think that both should be kept the same.

Since changing 3-D printed designs in the art has been open game, unlike masks made specifically by Lego, it’s very likely that a 3-D printed mask would be tossed aside for another design and potentially another power.

Helryx and Artakha’s mask designs were changed through the art, not their powers.

[NewDrewBuilder1992]

@Eljay

Toa Nidhiki had a green Volitak, not a silver one

I did not know this

[Minirigby]

yeeeeep

i’m painting a volitak metru green for my Nidhiki moc, but for other’s sakes hopefully mocs will be allowed to enter with a silver volitak and have it’s color be changed in the art portion, like Artakha’s shade of green would have been if the winning moc wasn’t already sand green.

[TheJerminator]

Oh shoot, I see what you meant now; if the Art is allowed to change the mask, artists are more likely to change a 3d-printed mask than a traditional mask. Is that what you’re saying?

[ToaOfVirtues]

At this point I think the rules are too speculative and preliminary to have a productive discussion on this topic, I recommend we postpone this discussion until a TTV member starts discussing this as well.

[Racie02]

I’d prefer the art contests deciding the mask, because it would avoid a scenario of “I like this moc, but I don’t want orde to have a sanok.”

Orde having a sanok makes no sense, and I will die on this hill.

@ToaOfVirtues

I recommend we postpone this discussion until a TTV member starts discussing this as well.

That’s the point of the discussion.

TTV want us to debate so that they can decide what rules the community wants.

[TheJerminator]

But couldn’t that still happen in the Art Contests?

[Kodiak]

@TheJerminator

if the Art is allowed to change the mask, artists are more likely to change a 3d-printed mask than a traditional mask. Is that what you’re saying?

Bingo. Artakha was fine since it didn’t change the power.

I guess I could’ve worded that better

[TheJerminator]

@Kodiak

Artakha was fine since it didn’t change the power.

Isn’t that true of Helryx as well?

[Kodiak]

@Racie02

I’d prefer the art contests deciding the mask, because it would avoid a scenario of “I like this moc, but I don’t want orde to have a sanok.”

Orde having a sanok makes no sense, and I will die on this hill.

Then don’t vote for mocs with that mask lol. I think you’re letting your bias against a silly mask cloud your judgment.

If Orde wore a mask that you did like, how would you feel about it getting made worthless in the art and replaced with a different mask power? Say, a Sanok

I don’t think an art contest should be allowed to change Orde and Zaria’s mask powers. If the winning Orde moc wears a $40 Ruru, then so be it. If the winning moc has a Sanok, then so be it. The exact same applies to Zaria, whether he has a Mask of Adaptation or a dark orange Kakama.

@TheJerminator

Isn’t that true of Helryx as well?

Yes. I didn’t see the need to bring her up at the time.

[Racie02]

@Kodiak

Then don’t vote for mocs with that mask lol. I think you’re letting your bias against a silly mask cloud your judgment.

I feel strongly about their masks. I also feel strongly about their weapons. I’d rather they not be lumped together.

Yes, I think the sanok is dumb, but it is only an example of my issue. I’d rather orde not have a komau, or a matatu, or an iden. It’s just that everyone wants him to have a sanok.

I’m not as particular on art, since its all based on the same moc. I rarely feel strongly about one art over another, so I would vote for arts with masks I like.

[Willess12]

Just do what I plan on doing: only treat the shape as canon, not the power.

If the orde moc/art/whatever’s canon has a Sanok, and you want him to have, say, a Pehkui, then he has a Sanok-shaped Pehkui.

These are appearance contests, not power contests.

[ToaOfVirtues]

There is one point that I don’t think has been discussed.

If a MOC makes a custom mask out of multiple Lego parts, would that require an art contest? On one hand it would not have the BS01 issue with 3d printed parts. On the other hand it would not be a ‘standard’ kanohi.

I think a multi-part mask should be allowed to become canon without an art contest, but I’d like to hear other opinions on it.