purely personal opinion, but brick-built masks are generally pretty ugly and don’t fit in well with any other kanohi.
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I mean, it’d be no different than if the art drew a new mask shape. I don’t see why not.
I don’t like the idea that we won’t know until after the moc portion ends if we’ll have art, though…
an ugly brick-built mask probably wouldn’t win, then.
Occasionally they can look good, I believe one of the Helryx entries had a well designed multi-part mask. (EDIT: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/media.brothers-brick.com/2020/07/Toa-Helryx-by-Anthony-Wilson.jpg)
Also, I like the possibility that my MOC could become canon without an art contest. I also wish it didn’t depend on the MOC, but I think it’s a reasonable compromise given the BS01 situation.
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Something seems a little… off with that sentence 
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You’re right, I forgot to specify we’re making Toa Nidhiki. My bad.
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The thing with this question is that it assumes that there will only be Art Contests for MOCs with non-traditional masks, and that seems like a terrible idea.
The existence of an Art Contest should not be decided by the build of the winning MOC. Decide beforehand whether or not there will be an Art Contest, and then stick with that, regardless of the mask type of the winning MOC.
Same goes for changing the masks in a given Art Contest. Either all types of masks can be changed, or none of them can.
Of course, this rule can change between contests. For example, the Artakha and Helryx contests were set up such that the Art could change the masks, while that may not be allowed for the Hagah contests.
But it has to stay consistent within a given contest.
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As I’ve mentioned, I like the possibility that my MOC could become canon without an art contest. I also think 3D printed masks should be allowed in the MOC contest.
The only way these two priorities of mine can be reconciled given the BS01 situation is if an art contest is only held if the MOC contains a 3D printed mask.
For the record, yes, these conversations and debates are fine and what everyone should be doing. We’re monitoring things and letting the conversations inform our next steps.
We will certainly be chiming in every now and then, and eventually we’ll talk things over and bring forth our current stance (whenever current is) on the matter for further deliberation. Depending on how that all goes, we will opt to either modify or stick with whichever stance is put forth.
While I’m sure this is gonna get buried, a couple things:
1: If we opt to go with MOC contests without Art contests for Toa Hagah/other Toa, it would only be in the instance that whichever MOC wins doesn’t feature a 3D printed mask or weapon. If either of those two things are present, an art contest would be mandatory. As usual, this hasn’t been decided.
2: Our current plan is to approach Greg before any other Toa contests start to get a current stance on the organic Kanohi, Mahri Kanohi, and The Yesterday Quest Toa’s Kanohi/weapons. We’ll clarify the matter regarding their appearances and decide how they’ll be mandated from that point on.
One final thing, and something that currently merits the most discussion: Define a Toa Metru build. This will be the greatest point of contention as we look at beginning our discussion of how that contest is handled, and what we need the most input and feedback regarding.
Thanks,
-Eljay
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To allow for the greatest artistic freedom, I say that this only requires the large Metru torso piece. So the waist piece and front cover are optional.
I’ve always thought the thin section at the waist looked weird, hopefully the MOCs can remedy that.
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I’m about to get real pedantic here.
We can avoid the “what is a Metru build” discussion entirely:
The four remaining Toa Hagah are canonically Metru builds. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that these builds must be Metru builds, since these builds are not official/canon; they are merely stylizations of the “official” appearance.
Therefore, these builds need only be “stylizations” of a Metru build, not an actual Metru build, however that is defined.
And that’s how we can avoid the entrie “Metru build” discussion.
However, if you aren’t convinced by this, and will still require a Metru build, then I agree with @ToaOfVirtues; a Metru build only needs the torso gearbox piece, perhaps with the added requirement of similar proportions. (Although proportions are more of a “Toa” thing than just a “Metru build” thing)
That’s exactly what it ■■■■■■■ means. Why the hell would you make the MOC for a canonization contest completely ignore canon if the art portion will inevitably have to undo what you did in the MOC? This isn’t like finagling the small details on Artakha, as Perp did, so he didn’t look fat; this is about changing the actual bloody build. There is no practical reason not to make them Metru builds.
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Don’t get me wrong; thing would still require that the MOC has the same proportions and angles of the Metru torso. This argument just gets around the restriction of requiring the torso piece.
I am aware that this is a dumb technicality, but it also opens up a bit more creativity while remaining canon.
The Toa Hagah are canonically Metru builds, but these builds aren’t canon.
So if it has the same angles and proportions of the Metru torso…just use the ■■■■■■■ Metru torso.
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What if someone wants to attach armour in a place that the Metru torso doesn’t have a connection point?
Such as…? If we’re using Metru proportions, how does the Metru torso not have enough connection points? Have you SEEN the ■■■■ thing? It has plenty, and this very thread has shown people doing good work to work around what limitations it does have.
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Git gud. If not, then oh well. Requiring the torso piece and similar proportions isn’t egregious at all.
There were a few pieces that I thought would be impossible to add onto the torso, and yet I was proven wrong.
Takutanuva’s entry would immediately get disqualified for being a bad faith entry, so I don’t see why it’s being brought up.
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Unless you want different color blocking.
Or you want colors the metru torso doesn’t come in, and don’t like painting pieces
Or you want a custom function
Or armor that doesn’t fit on a metru torso.
Or you don’t have a metru torso.
Need I go on?
Well then it’s not gonna be a bloody Metru build anymore, now is it?
As Kodiak said, tough ■■■■. It’s Lego. It has limitations.
Again, Stud.io.
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Then don’t enter lol. Honestly, that sounds like a lame excuse to be different for the sake of being different. If you don’t know how to be creative with a metru build, then oh well.
Would apply the same argument to those who don’t have a Volitak for Nidhiki and Chiara, right? “Ummm not everyone has a Volitak”
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