This was my idea, you can judge if it’s terrible or not lol
This pretty much the same thing we currently have, only that it further disenfranchises 3-D modelers.
Currently, 3-D modeled masks are guaranteed to be tossed aside for whatever mask is in the artwork. If you’re a 3-D modeler and want your mask to be canon, you have to hope that someone decides to use your mask design instead of their own and makes the right creative decisions.
It’s already a slap in the face to have your own mask be featured on the winning moc, only to have it tossed aside.
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In this case, it would need to be a rule that all artwork must follow the MOC closely, 3D parts included. But I don’t think that is a controversial stance.
which then disenfranchises artists. There are those that really enjoy being able to design new masks and have new twists on the MOC.
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Unfortunately, you can’t have both a 3D modeler and a 2D artist design the same mask and both become canon. It’s gotta be one or the other.
EDIT: Given 3D modelers currently can’t guarantee that their mask will become canon even if it wins a contest, I’m leaning towards requiring the art to mimic the 3D printed mask.
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I will beat up the next BIONICLE character who they choose to have a canon design.
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So you propose to s hift from disenfranchising modelers to disenfranchising artists, for no discernible reason?
In fact, doing this your way - purist MOCs and model-identical art - does both.
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I just gave my reason. If a 3D printed mask wins a contest, then that should influence the final canon design. This way, both artists and 3D modelers can participate in the final canon artwork, rather than the 3D modeler being excluded.
-cough-
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… That wasn’t the final canon design though.
I’m saying that it should always influence the final canon design, not just when the artist feels like it should.
EDIT: All I’m saying is that 3D modelers should have a guaranteed spot at the table if they win in the MOC competition.
It was extremely close.
Which further disregards people that don’t want 3d models canon.
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The art is becoming canon, not the 3D printed piece itself. It just so happens that the art would be heavily inspired by the 3D printed part.
EDIT: if a significant number of people don’t like that possibility, they can vote against it in the MOC portion.
That’s a technicality no one’s going to believe.
Ultimately, the current compromise is just that: a compromise - an agreement that tries to appease as many parties as people in an even way. Artists, 3d modelers, MOCists, and purists all get a hand in the eventual outcome - some people aren’t totally happy with the results, but it’s better than catering to a single party at the expense of everyone else.
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3D modelers are the only ones in that group that can both win a contest, and yet have their art potentially discarded in the final product.
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I get what you’re saying but the disenfranchisements are far from equal. Based on the various entries for Helryx and Artakha, artists can still manipulate the style, character, background, and other creative factors to their satisfaction. If what Tov said were to come true, then they could further adjust the mask without differentiating from it entirely.
Currently, 3D modelers have to hope that someone decides to use their mask instead of going with their own take. Artists can toss the mask aside for whatever they please. Replacing the mask design in the art phase is a victimless issue when the winning model used an official mask, but when they used a 3D mask, it’s kind of a slap in the face.
Perhaps, but not every position should be treated equally, especially when they’re based on inclusion and exclusion.
I doubt the rules are going to change, so it’s unlikely much will come out of this.
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Not true. If a moccist makes a custom brick built mask, it can be disregarded in the final product.
Even in that case, not all of the work will get thrown out, unlike a 3D printed piece which could be replaced entirely. With a MOCist, at least some of their work is guaranteed to make it into the final product.
EDIT: Is that actually the case with brick built masks? I thought BS01 only had an issue with 3D printed parts.
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This is a good point. There is no objective way to decide whether the 3d modelers or the artists should be prioritized.
The mask decision should vary based on whether they can be made in the MOC contest without requiring custom parts. Because remember, TTV has said that they will never require customization of any kind.
For example, it was literally impossible to design a 100% canon Helryx or Artakha entry without using custom pieces. As such, placeholder masks were allowed, and the mask design went to the Art Contest.
But, for the Hagah (for example), it is possible to make a canon model (with mask) without requiring customization of pieces. As such, the final mask design should come from the MOC Contest.
I am NOT saying that the MOCs should be canon, because it is still possible for them to have 3d printed parts. It just isn’t necessary.
In my eyes, the default should be that the Art Contest has to keep everything from the MOC Contest, with exceptions only being made when it is impossible to create a completely canon-compliant model without custom parts.
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I would also like to remind everyone that 3d printed weapons are allowed, and unlike the masks, are not placeholder.
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The problem I see with that, is that most probably entries with 3D mask or weapons will win because it will give a more unique look to a character, than a Bomonga using a Hau, and not everybody has access to a 3D printer or know how to model to create their own piece.
Sure, making thing with Lego is restrictive, because not everybody have all the pieces they need, but as a Lego contest, is a logical restriction.
On the other hand, for the Hagah, I though not new mask would be permitted, since it will create new unknown masks because Hagah masks don’t match an original mask design.