BIONICLE G1 Canon Contests Discussion & Questions

[SFtheGreat]

I thought this is what stud.io files are for, to check the colour of pieces used.

[Hazash]

@Toa_Gua

out of curiosity, what is the non-3D “unknown” in Bomonga’s Mask Usage chart?

I think that was because I didn’t know what the piece was. It’s probably a Hero Factory helmet or something obscure, since the creator didn’t link any 3D parts.

[Toa_Gua]

Ah ok, that could perhaps be me then I used the Thunder (HF villain) helmet:

[CMO]

I’m curious, what qualifies as an unknown mask in these charts? I assume “3D unknown” are just individual peoples’ masks (y’know, individual as opposed to big names like Galva and KhingK), but what are the simply “unknown” ones?

@Hazash

A surprising amount of custom masks used in this contest.

Screams internally

[Ghid]

guys I’m going to do something controversial and yet very brave

if it defies the standard metru build it has my vote
if it defies team cohesion it has my vote
if someone complains constantly about a certain element of a build not being ‘muh canon’ it will have my vote

and probably above all else, 90% of the entries will be ignored by me because they look like shallow copies of the sets - which is 100% uninteresting. if preconceptions are ruined by thunderthighs pouks or bomonga with a reptile leg, I will vote for it.

let’s crush some head(canon)s boys

[Winger]

@Ghid

yet very brave

We stand here in honor of Ghid’s righteous sacrifice. He will not be forgotten.

also heck yeah

[Sharnak]

Honestly, I plan to skip out on voting until the final round. No offense to all the entrants, but unfortunately the identical nature of the Hagah prevents me from getting fully invested this time around.

[Atobe_Brick]

Fair enough, but I’m gonna vote in every round if I can because in some ways, the stakes are higher than in other contests. Entries must fall into very specific parameters in order for me to fully support them, unlike in previous ttv contests.

[Hazash]

@CMO

I assume “3D unknown” are just individual peoples’ masks

That’s a combination of masks that are created by that creator and never used again, and masks that were made by big names but which I didn’t have time to look up (some people didn’t explicitly state what mask they used, just linked to a folder).

@Ghid

if it defies team cohesion it has my vote
if someone complains constantly about a certain element of a build not being ‘muh canon’ it will have my vote

@Ghid

let’s crush some head(canon)s boys

So… you’re basically trolling?

If you vote for entries because the ones that defy these things happen to be your favourites, that’s understandable. But voting just to be contrarian… if your sole goal is to infuriate people, you’ve succeeded with at least one person here.

@Ghid

90% of the entries will be ignored by me because they look like shallow copies of the sets

They really don’t. If we got Gaaki and Pouks as sets instead, and someone entered Norik and Iruini, you’d say the exact same thing. With the exception of a few, most set-like entries are only ‘boring’ because there’s so many of them being entered.

[Toa_Gua]

@Ghid A bit controversial, yes, but I can agree on at least wanting to see creative (not destructive/mocking) ways of “pushing the boundaries” of the Metru frame - I think the Metru torso/hips-combination ties all the entries together sufficiently, which makes it cool to see different types of armor attached to it also, the art portion should take care of most cohesion issues I think, allowing us to vote for interesting individual designs (at least to some extent)

[Winger]

Same, unless there’s something I really want to get through. Plus art of course.

[Geetonguga]

What are these parameters?

[Ghid]

@Hazash

So… you’re basically trolling?

Let me be more specific.

I’m really tired of people whining over incredibly insignificant portions of the contest, about definitions of a metru build, about what limb pieces should and shouldn’t be allowed, about height, metallic colors, exact placement… Not that these issues aren’t important, but they’re made insignificant due to the absolutely oppressive amount of chatter over them., simultaneously eating up all the attention and accomplishing nothing.

And of course, every individual is the most oppressed by changes made - ‘X group loses the most by Y moc becoming canon and I am part of said group’ - and it’s occurred for the entirety of the contest’s discussion period by most every vocal party in the discussion.

So yes, the conversations have been had and will likely still be had once this contest is done and over with. But for right now, I’m going to vote contrary to the intricate and numerous demands of the vocal and I’m hardly afraid to let them know.

@Hazash

But voting just to be contrarian… if your sole goal is to infuriate people, you’ve succeeded with at least one person here.

Then I guess mission accomplished?

The horde will most likely win due to sheer number and all of my personal choices will probably be smothered unless they fit the mob’s vision. If you’re offended that Ghid of all people is intentionally voting against preconceptions just for the fun of it, then perhaps you were part of the intended audience for the message.

I dunno. You still have the vast majority of people on your side.

@Hazash

With the exception of a few, most set-like entries are only ‘boring’ because there’s so many of them being entered.

With the exception of a few, most set-like entries are only ‘boring’ because that’s all that’s ever been entered.

Really, it wouldn’t be so bad if more than ten entries weren’t just the basic set design with limb, armor, and palette swaps. Maybe it’s not as cloned as the Metru or even the Mata, but I feel like I’ve seen the same entry fifteen times now. It’s headache-inducing.

[Chronicler]

Wait where do we vote for the stuff?

[Winger]

Polls, which aren’t up yet.

[Hazash]

@Ghid

@Hazash

But voting just to be contrarian… if your sole goal is to infuriate people, you’ve succeeded with at least one person here.

Then I guess mission accomplished?

I’m not going to argue with you further on your voting preferences because we’re both in agreement what your objective is here. The fact that you’re partially voting on the basis of what causes the most frustration for people you disagree with speaks volumes. Strange behaviour for a guy that supposedly handles PR for a big community project.

If something is talked about often, it’s because a problem still exists and people care about it.

@Ghid

Really, it wouldn’t be so bad if more than ten entries weren’t just the basic set design with limb, armor, and palette swaps. Maybe it’s not as cloned as the Metru or even the Mata, but I feel like I’ve seen the same entry fifteen times now. It’s headache-inducing.

So this isn’t the best definition of the entries you’re referring to, but I’ll use it for the sake of argument:
There are 217 entries which have no build mods (i.e. are reasonably set-like). That’s 55% of entries in total. Naturally, they will start to feel monotonous.

But after these contests are over, there will only be a maximum of four set-like Toa that anyone will pay any attention to: the winning ones. Will we look on them with the same ‘meh’ feeling as we did when they were put next to the other 213 entries? For most people, I doubt it.

The gist of my argument is this: we should vote on what entries look good next to Norik and Iruini, not next to the other 100 contest entries that might look similar. Because after this contest is over, the four that win are the only ones that anyone will care about.

And in my opinion, if you vote for a super complex Gaaki because it stands out from the 15 near-identical Gaaki MOCs @Dag posted, odds are that that Gaaki will just look out of place next to Norik and Iruini.

[Tarkur]

@Ghid

Really, it wouldn’t be so bad if more than ten entries weren’t just the basic set design with limb, armor, and palette swaps. Maybe it’s not as cloned as the Metru or even the Mata, but I feel like I’ve seen the same entry fifteen times now. It’s headache-inducing.

That’s fair, I’m against custom limbs for the Hagah but custom armor designs would have been really cool for this contest. I don’t know exactly how many entries opted for custom armor desigs so I won’t say there was a lack of them because I have nothing to back that up.

However I do think its possible to do custom armor designs even if you use the standard connector piece as the base for the shoulders, thighs and would have made this contest a bit more interesting

[Ghid]

@Hazash

The fact that you’re partially voting on the basis of what causes the most frustration for people you disagree with speaks volumes.

So does your immediate frustration on the topic. But since you follow it up with a rather blatant ad hominem, let’s move on.

@Hazash

The gist of my argument is this: we should vote on what entries look good next to Norik and Iruini , not next to the other 100 contest entries that might look similar. Because after this contest is over, the four that win are the only ones that anyone will care about.

I agree. Nothing I vote for will defy that.

However, I will also honor creativity, ingenuity, and not following the design principles everyone else has followed. I’ll doubly honor defying the complaints thus far.

@Hazash

And in my opinion, if you vote for a super complex Gaaki because it stands out from the 15 near-identical Gaaki MOCs @Dag posted, odds are that that Gaaki will just look out of place next to Norik and Iruini.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. I feel the entries I intend to vote for will absolutely fit in next to the pair.

[Hazash]

@Ghid

@Hazash

The fact that you’re partially voting on the basis of what causes the most frustration for people you disagree with speaks volumes.

So does your immediate frustration on the topic.

Sure it does: just not in the negative sense. I don’t see how getting frustrated at someone who is being overtly provocative, and possibly even vengeful, is a bad thing.

@Ghid

But since you follow it up with a rather blatant ad hominem, let’s move on.

I mean, the whole idea of public relations is to not deliberately aggravate people, even if you’re not currently ‘at work’ so to speak. Call it an ad hominem if you want, but I can’t say your posts here are doing anything for your reputation in the broader sphere.

@Ghid

I agree. Nothing I vote for will defy that.

However, I will also honor creativity, ingenuity, and not following the design principles everyone else has followed.

See, this is perfectly reasonable. It’s just when you start factoring in “What will annoy the most people?” as a deciding factor in your voting preferences that I have a problem.

@Ghid

I feel the entries I intend to vote for will absolutely fit in next to the pair.

Also nothing to argue against here. The debate of what looks fitting and what doesn’t has been had, as far as I can tell.

[Gilahu]

And apparently there are still people out there wondering why canon contests are a bad idea…

Cetero censeo agonem esse terminandum.