I really don’t think this is a good reason for something to be prohibited. It would be equivalent to banning Metru-build Tuyets for being “boring,”
Do you have any examples?
If that really is an issue then 1) that’s very unfortunate, and 2) maybe the moderators could make it more clear that elements of the moc will be open to redesign in the art portion? Using highlighted text, for example, might help to ensure that voters understand.
I can understand why it might not be mandated (still disagree, but also understand), but it makes no sense to outright ban the inclusion of an item that Tuyet has been explicitly confirmed to wield on multiple occasions, and that has more story time than her actual Toa Tool.
Is there, though? I have just as much reason to say “there’s only so many ways you can pose someone holding a spear and a shield”, or “… holding a shield and a mace”.
Regardless of whether your statement is true, though, I don’t see why that should affect the appearance of the entries (which is the entire point of these contests in the first place).
If the Nui Stone is really as simple and boring as you say, why couldn’t these entries include it?
At the end of the day, your entire point (and the point of many other arguments that I’ve seen) comes down to “the Nui Stone shouldn’t be included because it’s boring”, which makes very little sense to me. As has been said many, many times over the last ~18 months, these are canon contests, not “have as much fun with the design as you can” contests.
The Nui Stone has appeared alongside Tuyet in both of her major appearances (and with two alternate versions of her), and mandating its appearance is frankly one of the looser restrictions from any of these contests so far.
I don’t think he’s advocating to ban it from the whole contest. Just the MOC portion.
Which does make a modicum of sense – unless you’re gonna 3d print it, there’s only so many ways you can moc a rock*. But the art can surely do wonders with it
*There are many ways you can mock a rock, though. Ha! You stupid rock, you’re so dense. You’re cold hearted and hard headed! I bet your momma was round!
I really agree with the no rock MOCs, yes rock art. In fact, mandate rock art. If it’s optional, pieces that lack it will be severely handicapped in the polls. Same goes for the sword, which should be optional in the MOC portion I feel. If we want to go the route of allowing rock MOCs, we should at least let it not influence the art.
May I ask more specifically about what the discord event with MoD on Wednesday is going to cover beyond just generally speaking the future of the canon contests?
I wonder because I likely won’t be able to partake in the event due to certain factors and this event seems rather important.
I may not have done a great job conveying it but the way I see it there can be no half measure here. If we allow the stone but don’t mandate it then we may end up with people voting not based on the MOC/design but if it includes a stone. (This is similar to what we saw with the hagah art, where the quality of the art took a back seat to armor colours and mask choices)
Personally I think those kind of situations should be avoided whenever possible, so a mandate or a ban are the only real options. I simply laid out the reasons why I feel a ban is the more desirable option
Personally, I believe basing your vote on color distribution, mask choice, or the inclusion/non inclusion of the Nui Stone, as opposed to the quality/coolness of the art/moc itself, is a Bad Choice™
I also think that MY reasons for choosing MY votes would be seen as a bad choice to others.
People vote for a lot of reasons, I think we shouldn’t necessarily decide what to include/what not to include/what can be included in order to work around some of the (good faith) reasons. There are a lot of different motivations in the Bionicle community for choosing one Tuyet over another, and those motivations should probably have a say in what the final (and only) image of her looks like.
These are Appearance contests. Voting based on aspects of the appearance, like color and masks, is absolutely valid. It might not be the thing everyone cares about, but it is valid.
Voting based on the inclusion of a rock that will be mandated in the art anyway, however, is just a misunderstanding of how the contest works.
I would argue voting for what features the artist has chosen to depict is just as valid as any other vote. It’s just a matter of different preferences.
Say I vote for color distribution, then I’m voting from my preferred depiction of the characters and will subjectively find the art with the color distribution I’d like to see better.
Since any opinion is subjective and what makes good art is also highly subjective. I think it’s rather childish and/or toxic to go around and shame people for what they vote on.
And just because I have to mention this or else r/bioniclelego’s discord server is going to have a field trip with this just because I said it. Asking for restrictions on how a moc is built, what parts it can use or whether you personally like it or not is not the same as shaming someone over voting on a particular moc. I may not like the Hagah and I’ve talked about why but never have I blamed anyone for voting on them.
What I was trying to say was, even if I may not agree with the reasons for WHY people vote, I think that votes for things such as color distribution/nui stone inclusion are 100% valid and in good faith, and we shouldn’t exclude/mandate the inclusion of the nui stone based on how people might vote.
No. I meant it exactly as I wrote it. That Greg quote should not be even considered because it contradicts previously established canon and rules of the universe. Greg quotes are good guidlines when there is absence of information, but we have abundance of information and that qoutes breaches that info. If there were a qoute about Tahu being Toa of Plasma, would you go with that rather than the actual story? Of course not.
Based on everything in the story, as I expained it in my feedback post, Tuyet and Lhikan had no reason to look similar and in fact had all the reasons to look very distinct. That is why it should be encouraged.
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An additon to the Nui Stone - I think it would be okay for it to be mandated only in the art portion, though I see no reason to prohibit it in the MOC portion. Handling similar to the Mask of Intangibility would be optimal. Optional placeholder in MOC portion and required inclusion in art portion.
But as long as the final product includes the Nui Stone, any configuration of its inclusion is better than none.
Also a feedback to something @Eljay asked in later post - usage of the consent system in the future. If we revisit the underlying reasons behind it, the appropriate application would be the following:
Not use it when we have a preestabllished design element which needs a canon appearance to be decided along with the character - such as in this case the Mask of Intangibility, Nui Stone and Barbed Broadsword.
Use it when the character has unknown Masks and/or tools (such as Zaria, Orde, Chiara).
This application maintains and goes along with the previous usage and purpose of the consent system - to balance the creative input and freedom of the entrants during different portions of the contest.