I stand corrected.
His colors were listed as unknown last time I checked.
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All of their colors are known.
Chiara is blue and white, as all Toa of Lightning are.
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ā1). I have a few questions regarding some Elementsā colors. You see, BS01 has both blue and white listed as primary colors for Lightning, and both blue and gold as primary for Psionics. However, they have nothing for the secondary colors. So, Iām wondering wether any of these colors are supposed to be secondary colors for their elements. 1).Yes. White is the secondary color for lightning, and gold is the secondary color for psionics.ā
Ok so naturally all Toa of Lightning are White and Blue. However there is nothing stating that Charia personally is. If you overrule that she is then thatās the end of it and no arguments here.
However the below quote about armor color does bring into question if she had different colored armor.
Additionally, given her loner nature it would be interesting if she had a different color, like purple instead of blue, showing sheās not like the other Toa of Lightning.
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Ultimately, this straddles the line between creating visualizations within a canon framework and deviating from it for the sake of creating new canon. This will also boil down to taking Gregās words at face-value vs. the spirit of them.
To me, he was responding to the fact that a Toa could wear any color armor they want, since thatās what he was asked. Itās a literal answer to the way that question was worded.
Chiara is stated to be a Toa of Lightning, in the story serial. Toa, Matoran, etc and what elements they are are identified by their armor color first and foremost. There doesnāt appear to be a strong argument in favor of switching up and adding random colors to characters that we have established color schemes for.
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To add onto that: this is the only appearance weāre going to get for a Toa of Lightning, so I think we should show what their colors are, rather than what they arenāt.
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We already have Nikila.
I still want Chiara to have Lightning colours, though. It would be nice if we could also match Nikilaās eye colour, though that probably couldnāt be mandated.
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I agree that Greg meant possibility rather than actuality. And as Willess12 says below:
I ultimately agree that itās better to showcase a Toa of Lightning with the canon colors than to use a different color of the sake of āWhat if?ā
Hopefully in the future we can possibly explore the concept of alternate armor colors with other characters.
what about the characters that deviate from typical elemental colourschemes and thus set a precedent for some characters to deviate from the norm?
i.e. Hahli mahri and her lime green
Nikila would like a word with you
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Right you are; I got Lightning and Psionics mixed up.
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Actually I forgot about her, thatās a great point. Still itās up to the TTV crew if they think an alternate colored Charia could exist.
Another thing is if we go White and Purple, this would be the first canon Toa using purple as one of their main colors.
Honestly, while I typically donāt care for the āitās not mentionedā argument, I think it can be applied here. Her armor color isnāt noted as abnormally colored in The Yesterday Quest.
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Ultimately, the meta reason is that set designers created designs and then characters were applied to them. In this instance, itās almost entirely centralized to Hahli with her Inika and Mahri forms, though Hewkii Inika is certainly notable.
Aside from that, the argument could be made that Hahli is an exception due to her extraordinary and unusual means of transformations, with one being lightning, and the other being the Ignika.
I donāt believe Iām forgetting any odd characters, but I certainly could be.
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Last thing before I go for the night, Onua seems to shut this down as the story states:
āCHIARA had a reputation as a loner, unusual in a Toa of Lightning. But she didnāt really need a team.ā
Since Onua hadnāt met any Toa of Lightning in the GSR, this implies that theyāve either heard about them or met them. Either way he wouldāve pointed out the difference in armor color, like Willess12 said:
White and blue may be the main Vo-Matoran colours but are we assuming they are the only colours they naturally wear?
The official Onu-Matoran colours are black and grey but they have also been depicted wearing purple, orange, blue, tan and never been called out for being unusual in any way. An array of tertiary colours is nothing new or unusual for matoran (or toa).
Basically Iām saying I donāt see any reason to mandate any specific colour scheme for Chiara beyond āincludes white and/or blueā
Plus I really want to enter a white and red Chiara.
With all that said I expect a traditional W/B model to win anyway.
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I just want to be able to enter my pink and green Chiara moc, is that too much to ask?
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Because ultimately, these characters will be used further as canon baselines for their elements. Right now, Chiara could have red in her color scheme, but if canonized, it then branches out into all Toa, Matoran, Turaga, etc of Lightning have red in their color scheme without any other basis than āWell, she couldāve.ā
All other elements have additional colors from LEGO media, be it sets, MNOG, or otherwise. In this instance, we have a specific framework to deal with - Blue primary, white secondary. Itās too early to shut down the idea, but it needs some really strong arguments before itād be allowed.
This argument actually bleeds into a discussion that hasnāt taken place yet - weapons. We donāt have any idea or description regarding weapons for those three. That would be another important question for Greg.
Iād like to encourage people to inquire with Greg about these questions. He still answers questions on the Boards, and it may be best for everyone to pitch their thoughts and suggestions for him to take a look at. It may not result in anything (see our post on this subject here), but itās better than waiting.
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Fair enough. I agree with you for the most part but I just want to add;
I chose red specifically because it does have some, admittedly very loose backing in canon in the form of Tahnok-Kal.
Still, your right about this being something that should be brought to Greg first. Iāll post in the ask Greg topic when I have a chance. Fingers crossed he sees it.
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For the characters without explicitely stated weapons, I guess there are two possibilities: the final art has it, or the final art doesnāt.
I think that, if the final art excludes the weapon, that could be fineā¦while we had explicit equipment names for non-yesterday-quest toa, we are working with i think nothing in their case. I think itād be acceptable to just conviniently exclude them.
if the art DOES include the weapon, wellā¦thatās kind of a debate thatās out of our hands a bit, isnāt it? The art would go beyond canonizing appearance, and would actually canonize the equipment of the character, which is something Iām sure greg would have intended originally to do himself. If Chiara is depicted with an axe, for example, then that character canonically wields an ax from now on.
Iād actually be curious what his specific take on us as a community choosing their equipment would be. That is a conversation that would bleed into their mask powers, by the way, assuming the final art for the non-specific-kanohi toa takes the form of a recognizable mask. Which, you knowā¦it doesnāt have toā¦
I donāt have a strong argument, but I think that the only toa of the 3 who might have one is Orde. We know two of his colors concretely thanks to the greg quote, but he is so old and his origin so atypical that Iād think most things weād normally take for granted for other toa we absolutely cannot for him. A weird 3rd color in his color scheme could have some standing.
I understand the concerns about Chiara and Zaria being baselines for their elements, but with Orde, we already know heās a huge, huge outlier. He isnāt even really a baseline in the story.
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He is an outlier in one respect. BIONICLE has a long-standing habit of using characters to base on other characters. For instance, Tahu is based in some respects on Ackar. Helryx is the first Toa of Water, and all others are blue as well.
The argument doesnāt have any more or less weight to suggest additional colors than the one about Chiara does.
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Thereās a Greg Quote saying that Lightning colours are primary blue and secondary white. In contrast, thereās actually no such source explicitly stating the colours of any of the original six Elements (or at least none that I could find, anyways). As such, as much as they are used as examples, lime-Hahli, white-Hahli, or random-coloured-Onu-Matoran actually donāt necessarily break any standards, because the standards for those Elements are unknown to us.
How? Weapons are part of a characterās appearance, are they not? And if they arenāt, then why have they been included in all contests so far?
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