My only thing about this is while I agree that it shouldn’t have won or been canonized after breaking the rules, it would be almost impossible to change now. We have canon art depicting it, tons of people making the model for themselves and currently an ongoing question over the mask.
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Yee, I’m aware, thank you for bringing that up. Since my post maybe wasn’t clear about it but I tried to highlight my stance when it occured and how people took it vs how I actually wanted it to be interpret.
Edit: Also @Bukkey thanks for your kind words 
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Lemme fix that analogy for you:
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I like this analogy.
Stuff’s gonna slip through. With auditors, less rulebreaks will be missed (and I need to make clear: the amount of effort for stuff NOT to be missed in the hagah art portion was extrordinarily high), but some still will.
Even then: these things aren’t binary. The scale, severity, and consequences of a rulebreak are case by case. There is a gulf of difference between, say, double’s Bomonga, and, say, overt plagarism. Or a moc wearing the vahi, if a hypothetical canon example makes more sense.
and the thing is, this has been brought up ad-nauseum every other week. It won’t change the outcome: double’s bomonga is canon. He has that build, wears that mask, breaks that rule, and all of the above is canon. We can learn from this, sure, but nothing except it being an especially good bomonga gave it an advantage.
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Who said it needed fixing
You could walk over a crosswalk while the lights are red, its not as serious as say stealing but you still broke the law.
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I don’t see how any of Doubles behavior was equivalent to “doping”.
As far as I can remember the only real rule he broke was the shield on the arm, (since his model was the correct size even if he didn’t provide comparison pictures) and it seems kinda wild to think that somehow boosted his votes to any noticeable extent.
Could you say he displayed poor sportsmanship with how he behaved? Sure i suppose, but that’s a whole different issue which TTV already decided to ban him for.
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I choose that because it was the first rulebreak that came to mind when looking at very well defined organized competitions. Its not a direct one to one allegory but it served its purpose.
Okay, maybe this is letting leak how I think as a real-world person too much, but…
Rules are not omnipotent, set-in-stone things. They are made by people, in order to prevent a potential negative outcome (at least, the not-bad laws are). They are not arbitrary guidelines we must operate within for no other reason than “because we say so”.
Why was the shield rule in place? To prevent even weirder edge cases. People using the shield as a surfboard, or torso armor, or a mask. It was merely to lay down the base guidelines of the Hagah to leave little room for bad-faith actors: they have a shield on one side, and a spear on tbe other. That is the spirit, and purpose, of that rule. Double violated the letter, not the spirit.
To use your analogy, the law of people crossing the road at the wrong light is there so no one could be hit. But what if you can visibly see that there are no cars for several blocks? What harm have you really caused by crossing? Is it truly on the level of stealing?
And to be clear: i’m defending double’s bomonga, not double. Double definitely has done other things that warranted ending his involvement. But you really gotta parse the spirit/intent and letter of the law, and not lean on the latter.
typed up on a workbreak, apologies flr imprecise wording.
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but do you legitimately believe that placing the shield on his wrist rather than his hand was such an egregious rule breaking offence that the MOCs victory should be undone.
If it was such a problem would the voters not have noticed it, and would it not have negatively effected it’s performance in the polls?
You say you only still want bomonga undone because of the rules it broke, and not because of personal distaste for it. But personally, considering how insignificant the rules broken were, I have a hard time believing that,
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Never said they were equal. just that they are both law breaks whether how significant.
Its easy to turn a blind eye to things you don’t want to see, ask anyone who believes a conspiracy theory
We all know that the shield wasn’t his only offense. For example the invalid size comparison was obviously intentional which makes you wonder if the wrist mounted shield was an intentional offense as well.
Personally I would consider intentional rulebreaks worse than accidental ones.
which ultimately doesn’t matter, because his build was the right size?
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To have a valid size comparison was still a rule and requirement for entry. My question is should we allow one entry to enter with an invalid size comparison in their entry while disallowing an entry without the exact metallic color distribution?
I’ll leave you all with that question because y’all are seriously derailing this topic
blame ttv for that lol.
Personally I think the metallic distribution rule was unnecessary, and was TTV over extending the “parity rules” beyond the extent canon could back up.
Same thing for the Hagah having to physically hold their shields in their hands.
I’m glad that TTV seem to be adamant about nolonger featuring such rules and only basing rules on direct Greg quotes going forward.
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Dude, please give the Bomonga thing a rest. He’s canon. Your #notmybomonga campaign isn’t going to change that. Just accept it and move on.
There’s a higher chance of Jesus getting decanonized from the bible than Greg reading a 10,000 word essay explaining why one of these appearances should be decanonized to change canon to what I want, so why bother.
Like, I’m not too big of a fan of the winning Kualus’ Kanohi, but I’m not gonna spend months trying to find loopholes to decanonize it.
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I can tell you didn’t read my post so thanks for proving my point. Mechronus already mentioned the irreversability of bomonga to which I responded yee I know. I was just highlighting my stance when it occured and how people interpret it differently from how I intended it.
It was actually Sirkeksalots edit of my allegory that started the debate up again it didn’t need to happen but people do seem to love arguing with me. So once again thanks for proving my point.
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I did, because it’s a terrible analogy and I don’t need permission to point that out.
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Tarkur may be blunt, but I have to agree with him here: It kinda seems like you ignored everything he said except the words “double’s Bomonga”. Because the entire point of his post is that he’s not doing anything you just said.
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I, for one, think we need to stop re-relitigating every single prior argument had in the contest cycle so far. They’ve happened already, they’re over, rulings and winners will not change, we need to learn to get over it.
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Let’s stop talking about Bomonga. We’ve already gotten him, TTV has admitted its wrongdoing, and the black metru body has already become horribly expensive.
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just to reiterate:
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