ghid is religious pog?
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Edit: I originally quoted the wrong part of your reply
I mean he is like 50ish, wouldn’t suprise me if he missed something like that especially if he heard about it from word of mouth. However giving Faber the benefit of the doubt seems to be the ticket off the cool kids table so who am I to say.
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Seeing the arguement here over small things.
I will say this: yeah Ghid definitely do watch the interview when you get back from the Turaga Ceremonial Services. However, I don’t think Ghid is wrong to say that Faber is promising a product. He is, he talked about VR and using the Unity engine for something so I think that’ll go into whatever concept he has… Just wish he’d say what it actually is ya know?
This was my first reaction on Discord when the interview started:
Stuff like TTV and Custom BIONICLE Wiki, MOCpages, Imgur, all those places with BIONICLE communities are already keeping it alive Faber. So encouraging us to do it feels… Unaware of the larger BIONICLE community, I think.
Either that or Faber has something more SINISTER in mind, taking the following quotes:
“I am trying to repurpose the story, recycle for a purpose.”
“BIONICLE is being re-purposed”
“I want to create people”
I know what is REALLY going on!!
Faber’s new BIONICLE kidnaps millenials in their basements/attics and repurposes our bodies into BIONICLE parts and we build actual humans!!
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No but he is wrong about Faber trying to drain our wallets with his instagram posts. A product may very well be in the works but until that product is launched, Faber isn’t planning on forcing us to support him or charge anyone for anything.
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Where does Ghid say this? I read through the posts, I don’t recall him claiming that Faber is asking for cash.
A sales pitch is not the same as a commercial. To “sell” a product, a sales pitch, can mean to get people interested, not just in an investor’s sake.
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Maybe I read that wrong and that’s my bad then but his post are barely sale pitches either to be totally honest. Faber posts because he wants to show interest in the mystery of Bionicle or something in the same vein to potential investors. He is not pitching anything to us we are merely even a mddleman, all we really have to do is kick back, relax, build some mocs, use a hashtag and just chill. You don’t need to get more involved than that… which is basically my point and stance for this whole thing.
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Yeah but… what he’s asking, BIONICLE fans have been doing for years now without his influence.
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Judging by the interview with him and other bionicle crew members they didn’t really know the line had such a huge following still. He probably discovered the active bionicle community after seeing all the 14B2020 hashtags, this could be another reason why it took until january this year for him to join an actual Bionicle facebook group. That however is just speculation on my part.
promise
verb
UK /ˈprɒm.ɪs/ US /ˈprɑː.mɪs/
promise verb (SAY CERTAINLY)
to tell someone that you will certainly do something:
Last I looked, people were getting mad because Faber doesn’t promise anything.
Mention of Unity isn’t new - it’s used in his Rig21 virtual production setup. References to its use for Biovival were posted over a year ago.
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I think it would be helpful to get Meso and Eljay’s interpretations directly from them. A community debrief on what they took from their interview would go a long way in at least advancing the discussion.
Of course, everyone should watch it for themselves and take from it what they will, if they want to participate.
But, both Meso and Eljay did express a new level of understanding of what Faber is attempting, and I think a good number of us are still lost on that for a number of reasons. I think it’d be helpful to get their takes as they were directly involved in the probing.
@Eljay @Mesonak Is there any chance of either a post here or a follow-up video discussing the Faber interview from your perspectives? A Nak & Jay perhaps? Just curious!
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this is where I would make a funny photoshop of ghid as the pope or something
pope ghid teaches toddlers how to surf and hoards all the nilla wafers
i’M bEiNg MiSqUoTeD
Hey guess what? There are more official routes than Instagram when it comes to getting investors’ attention, barring investor-specific websites, word-of-mouth among the connections Faber now has, or the old-fashioned art of slapping it on some business calendar - ignoring all of that, there are still better routes than Instagram.
Faber is not talking to investors through Instagram. He is talking to fans through Instagram. If he were talking to investors, though, you know what he’d be posting? A sales pitch. Which is what he’s doing.
So thanks for conceding that point of the argument.
That’s… Not impossible, but really unlikely. Even the basic search of Bionicle is going to bring up all sorts of content from the last five years, and it’s really doubtful that Faber would also target a market which he was under the assumption wasn’t a sturdy following. No, actually, it’s certain he wouldn’t do that; he’s been a marketing guy for too long to do something like that. He knew the community existed.
Wrong - people are mad because Faber promised a void, theoretical concept. He presented us a box and won’t say what’s inside, but continues to wrap the box with fancier wrapping paper and tying elaborate bows on the outside. What people are mad about is that the box could be completely empty, and Faber is just happy there’s a box in the first place. You’re getting tired of waiting to see what’s inside? Then you’re the one at fault for being interested in the first place.
Seems just a smidge unfair when I’ve been promised the box in the first place.
Yeah, then I could be lazy and not wa-
uhh, I mean yeah that’s a great idea thanks Pakari
All I’m saying is I would pay for this
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Wow this topic. Really gets my brain juices flowing, so many arguments, counter arguments and hilarity. Thank you all 
I think we can all agree on this though? I already felt this way that maybe he’s trying to relight a candle that is already alight through others efforts and that he’s just unaware of that.
This is also an interesting idea. Personally I think the majority of young people don’t care about the environment. It’s true I‘ve only seen a small snapshot but I believe it an accurate one. The vast majority of people at the high school I went to did not care at all. If anything they were going out of their way to litter etc. Faber’s ideas about spreading environmental awareness are definitely interesting…also lol I love that meme, so true that digital technology has way more bad effects from its production etc.
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We live in a sobriety
I think what Faber is most likely (if this is true) thinking is that these fanbases may be keeping things alive, but not really making it alive. Like, perhaps in his eyes the Bionicle community is keeping Bionicle around on life support, and for it to truly ‘live’ something greatly inspiring has to occur.
The logical next step is that he made this entire marketing scheme solely to inspire people, and I really don’t buy that. So IMO the original argument, saying that Faber is trying to encourage the community to be more alive as his primary goal, seems wrong as well. If he made those statements - which seems really likely as that sounds extremely Faber - he’s either being Faber (making a non answer statement and then defending it to the moon) or he’s making a horrible, horrible bluff. I hope it’s the former.
It’s accurate for most any time in recent history as far back as the 1930s. Young people litter, disrespect and violate laws for public disposal of trash, and nowadays you have the utter irony of one kid yelling at politicians for not being green enough and soaking up person of the year awards and internet fame… And the reason this can exist is because it breaks the mold of kids littering.
Young people not into environmentalism? Heck no! It’s a very appealing concept because of the fulfilling action of planting a tree or funding x, y, and z because they like earth day or something. But none of them are going to do anything outside of a one-day commitment, and especially not because Faberonicle Recycles And So Should You.
Awesome Possum is approaching
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Of course he s not, I’m not a native english speaker and so I probably explained myself poorly. Faber wants to show investors that the interest for bionicles mystery is still out there in his pitches. In between his pitches and meetings Faber is posting artwork to us on Instagram which he later can use during said pitches as back up evidence.
I didn’t concede anything, have you watch that interview yet? maybe do that before you continue to argue stuff
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You said that Faber really wasn’t aware the Bionicle community existed until the 14B2020 hashtag got trending, which implies he started it for a reason other than fan support. Quote:
Implying he’s communicating to the big investors and company peeps with an instagram post, which I’ve already shot down the idea of. But by suggesting this, you’ve basically admitted Faber’s using a sales pitch in order to get their attention, and Faber using a sales pitch was what both Chronicler and I were saying.
Point conceded, and thank you.
Except that’s not what he’s doing.
He’s not posting art, cool concepts to generate attention due to limited resources, and then recycling that once he has a following. He’s posting the flipping LOGO publicly for the whole world to see the logo literally says BIONICLE in big, bold letters - and if this is only to generate interest and nothing more, why did he then dump the logo? Why did he present the logo in the first place?
I know your immediate response is going to imply the logo is hardly a final product or a binding commitment, but that’s just not how it works, man. That’s literally my legally employed field; you don’t just dump the logo of a theoretical product online and then hiss at everyone who wonders where the product is. I refer you to my box analogy.
At this point I’m considering not watching it just because of this stigma that I’m somehow incompetent because I haven’t watched the interview generated by someone who, I quote:
Is too important for argument like this. And who then proceeded to post 5 more times
EDIT: Also because the interview is THREE HOURS LONG and I’m being murdered by the whole world to do menial labor so uh
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Watch the interview please, faber is literally describing what the posts where for I’ve tried to communicate this to you but your overall stubborness makes it so much harder.
All your arguments are built on your own preconcived notion of what Faber is or isn’t doing. I you want to have a proper argument with me pleae just look into stuff.
This was in relation to yesterdays dicussion since then I’ve been talking to other people and you commented on those remarks I’ve made since then. I’m just defending my stance.
However recent actions of yours makes me really feel this way since you won’t bother to research the topic and its recent developments or listen to people who have been up to date unless they agree with your stand point on the issue. That’s not how coming to a conclusion works.
Then don’t be arguing in this topic if your are not going to put any effort into reaffirming your stance.
I refer you to the above.
Now back to your actual worth while points:
Except with his own words that is what he is doing.
Because he didn’t drop the logo day one, he dropped an implication of one, it was not until a few weeks back we got the full thing, again the interview goes into more details on this, remember do your research before you enter a discussion. You can do it whenever we can have proper discussion once you are done.
Haha no read the above.
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people, chill
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I will, as soon as I have a secured, uninterrupted three hours. I don’t have the luxury to schedule things like that; I have to wait for that availability to occur.
And it seems we’re arguing just fine without that.
And you haven’t quoted him once, so it seems a lot more like your opinion and not a factual statement.
Granted, I wouldn’t be able to verify any of those quotes just yet, but having a possible source for your stance is better than deflecting with “watch the interview” as I fear it’ll soon develop into “watch the interview or we’re done talking”.
The recent actions of… Reaffirming the same opinion I already have and going off what knowledge I can attain, only to argue with someone who has watched the interview and isn’t citing anything. Heck, Chronicler was the only one to quote Faber from the interview in this whole topic.
If you’ve seen it and if there’s some revolutionary new information there, use it! I can’t be expected to force my schedule if you’re not going to utilize your new knowledge. So far you’ve just stated your exact opinion several times and implied Faber confirms it 100%.
I feel this would qualify as deja vu, but I literally have been here before so never mind
THEN UH
Y’KNOW
quote him
I, being the poor and stupid and biased individual who clearly isn’t smart enough to have seen the interview in its entirety by now, have not had the luxury of hearing Faber’s silvery voice in my eardrums, and the possessor of knowledge here is ordering me to attain all the information I require to be at his level… Without using any of it to better himself.
It makes me wonder if all these things you’re saying he said were actually said, since you haven’t repeated any of them.
An implication of a logo…
What?
Is this an implication of a logo? No, this is one-fifth of a stock logo I found on the internet. You know it’s part of a logo because of course it is.
The only thing being implied is that this isn’t the entire logo. This is even more of a tease than revealing the whole logo, because it entices you to want to see the rest.
Which is what Faber did.
Okay, look champ. Pay close attention buddy o’ pal o’ friendo.
This is really getting tiring to have to sift through personal jabs and a holier-than-thou aura to try and have a debate over this. My statements of implied superiority were ones of foresight, as I was hoping you wouldn’t actually go there, but you have.
If you’re having difficulty not making things personal maybe take a step back and relax. I’m just some Ghid person; I’m not your life and I can be wrong completely without your involvement. You’re not required to pound something through my thick skull because I disagree.
I am employed as a graphic designer and have been for a bit. I grant that Faber’s undoubtedly much more experienced than me, but I hope you’ll grant I’m a little more experienced than you.
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Still not listened to the interview, huh.
Please either supply evidence of this “promise”, or stop misusing words.
etc.
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You misunderstand; I’m not saying he has to reveal the logo design process, I’m saying that his comments on redrafting it suggest he has another, more intricate one, which would seem to confirm that that’s the one he plans to show in the business talks. It’s likely that has the full name and more details, given the canister posts are supposedly related to it.
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