I don’t know, why would the Toa have Elemental powers in the first place [canonically]?
well Lewa did have a different element
he wasn’t exactly different at all
then again it depends whatever writers have him do…
anyway
Why tag a long standing old character’s name onto some new looking guy with a new element? It sounds like someone’s taking a title rather than being their person
Take away something recognizable, then the character feels way to different to old fans but possibly acceptable to new fans
consider other reboots that changed character traits/themes for their main characters
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Because that’s part of the premise. That’s like asking why there’s magic in Harry Potter.
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But we know that the Toa are not natives to Spherous Magna; someone created them and gave them Elemental powers; but why? For what purpose?
In G1 it was the Great Beings for the purpose of protecting the matoran. In G2 it was “because reasons,” and in G3 we have no idea if any of the Spherous Magna or GSR stuff is even relevant, what I’m asking you is what purpose does doing that serve to make G3 better?
if we’re still using G1 Mata, or atleast the names maybe the origin should be honored, or atleast less vague like in G2. Some legit origin, obviously created by a greater power as great heroes. Ofcourse the purpose or otherwise is up in smoke aswell… Either way the elements are programmed into them and they have their powers and adjacent weapons
I agree with this,
And this sounds good enough for now. We’re talking about the elements here, not deep lore and story. The actual origins of their powers is largely irrelevant to this discussion.
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right ofcourse
Anyway if they wanna change elements, the elements should be similar or have similar properties, like maybe metal to stone, or maybe combining Earth and Stone into one, IDK it would take a bunch of people and brainstorming
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if you change water, you need a liquid, if you ever change fire maybe it can be plasma, air is jungle, Ice I don’t think has a proper replacement that isn’t entirely an element unless you can “freeze” things, control tempurature or create structures and have a cold distant guy, Stone and Earth are interchangable but I think Stone is the weaker of the two since it’s just rocks, which technically contain metals, while the Earth can just stay since it means the underground and plantlife
Confused… are you pro radical changes? Becside that’s a lot of changes…
Beast Wars, Totally different set of characters
Star Trek, pretty much a new ship, new cast, new crew
Marvel and DC have rebooted and made several offshoot comics that have no relation to their former canon. Add to that they’re multi-million dollar earnings at the cinema.
Godzilla’s been rebooted several times and Shin-Gojira was the 2nd biggest movie in Japan in 2016.
Even NINJAGO’S Rebooting.
Those are just some off the top of my head
Reboots happen all the time sometimes they’re re-does other times they’re completely different. So yah I’m still down with stripping 2/6 characters to add someone new. We’d still have 4 “core” characters. Tahu, Onua, Gali and Lewa. And then we’d have two new characters to replace Kopaka and Pohatu.
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well I’m neutral since I just got into this
I guess
or I’m not trying to take sides
I mean keeping the elements the same as G1 and G2 is fine, but doing it for a bunch of Generations is… fine I guess
having a main cast of more or less than the 6 and giving them new elements is fresh, but it depends how the characters work
While I’m fine with the G1 Mata in all their glory, maybe Pohatu can have his element changed but otherwise if you’re adding and replacing a character with something really different like say electricity or something you need a new character
@Spacenid why Kopaka? Doesn’t he work as a foil to Tahu?
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See massive thread argument above 
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Ok I looked
I feel ice is more of just control of temperature and it takes more advantage of freezing water particles, though if Kopaka were to go atleast have someone who acts as a foil to Tahu or something
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what can rival fire? And Gali’s usually the most serene, while all 3 other than tahu you suggest keeping, considering they’re traditional 4 elements but you can disregard that, are mostly fine with each other and don’t fight usually, so one suggestion if that suggestion would work would be something that sparks fire like lightning or something else. Ofcourse there are series where ice is a villain power or is non-essential to the story, but it seems very popular
Also, I’d think Ice and water are similar if you count it as considering water freezing, which is basically that in regular context but if you consider the freezing points of certain materials and other things, or as the concept of low temperatures…
bah I’m rambling, do whatever, I’m not getting into an argument nor enforcing my points
Never watched it.
I’m assuming your talking about The Next Generation which wasn’t a reboot it was a continuation or if your talking about the newer movies that’s a soft reboot involving time travel and the same characters or if your talking about all of the other star trek shows those are called spin-offs and they all take place in the same world as the original.
Marvel and DC both exist in multiverses and have set a president that every new reboot is a new universe and various universes interact with each other, also offshoots are not reboots, they simply take place in the same universe as whatever there spinning off from.
I am neither a Godzilla fan not a Ninjago fan so these examples are largely meaningless to me, although your use of the present tense with Ninjago makes me think that it is just starting to reboot and this we don’t really know what it will do. That is unless you are talking about Ninjago Rebooted which from what I understand from it being mentioned in the podcast was more of a continuation than a reboot.
From the examples that you have provided you seem to be unable to tell the difference between a reboot and a spin-off or side story, the differece being that a reboot has the same characters telling the same story in a new way, versus entirely new characters in an entirely new story set in the same universe.
let me just say
if you create a reboot of something and introduce new concepts or change up the setting compared to a previous or the beginning generation, and depending on the writer, a new universe can have different rules and either slight or true changes. For Beast Wars that was actually a sequel to G1 Transformers, but at first the writers didn’t know and they just worked with it,
otherwise yeah I agree with your points
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I’d say that falls under “the same story told in a new way” as does the story TTV has pitched. Same story of the Toa against Makuta, with some new twists.
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here is something i just realised we had not talked about and how it may infact help fix the hole elements problem and how to still keep them and the six original toa around
the Toa Kaita, Wairuha and Akamai.
how you may ask? simple.
the toa could be revealed to actualy be the separations of the toa kaita, who themself are the true masters of the elements, with Wairuha controling water, the air and its temperature, while Akamai controling the earth, all the plant life that exist on it, the minerals and the lava that flows beneath it.
now why would the toa kaita be seperated? maybe because they became too arrogant and thus were punished by being weakend and separated into six individuals who each have a portion of their former power.
now we actualy have a sort of reason for why the toa have powers that can be argued are actualy connected with one another, because they were originaly two beings, one being of the earth and one being of the air
and i have also an example to what i mean by that, the egyptian gods Geb and Nut.
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That’s an awesome idea! Such a fact definitely wouldn’t be revealed for a few years (at least til the end of the initial three-year run, preferably), even if the Kaita are seen fairly early on.
However… I worry that that might interfere with the Toa’s sense of individuality, both in canon and out of canon. How would they continue onwards after learning that they weren’t designed to function as separate entities? It’d be a pretty jarring revelation.
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You seem to be forgetting that this is for TTV’s G3, for which the Toa’s orgines have already been written and they start out as matoran in TTV’s plan.
i did not know that.