Yeah. I think the mold as a whole would have been updated.
Seems like for most there are 4 positions, just like the Hau Nuva, and 2 molds, as seen with the Kakama, Akaku, and Hau. The differences are happening within the same mold-position combo as is the case with my Kakama.
Edit:
So… the whole prototype thing… I have to kinda assume that, since the molds did change, those old ones with the codes on front have to be using these IDs too… Why would they be doing dark grey Ruru before deciding on going with a dark grey Ruru?
But then, that doesn’t line up with the Sand Tarakava. Why is the prototype of the Tarakava using a mask that is newer than the masks worn by the final Tarakava? That doesn’t make sense.
There’s also the fact that the Toa Mata limbs in grey appear earlier, alongside all the other colors of them…
To add even more confusion to it – We have seen the yellow Hau with the code on front – in 2003! (Probably reusing an old prototype though.)
Yep, they are, I think all of them. It is fascinating seeing that some of the masks predicted to exist in the final form (based on the sheet) also exist in prototype form.
Also I posed this question in the other topic: Is that Mahiki bright blue (23) or violet (110)? It seems too vibrant of a color to be just blue.
Looking on the inside of those dual mold Miru would tell us if they were made before 2002 or after based on the info we have gathered in this topic. But that would be a manner of contacting the owners of those masks.
I was thinking the same thing. It looks too blue and dark though, but you never know with violets on camera. Reminds me of dark blue-violet / Dark Royal Blue.
The white Kaukau, yellow kakama, purple voodoo arm, light grey “spur”, and teal axestand out to me as things we don’t have IDs for. Wonder how the axe compares to the Lewa prototype. The dark grey Hau as well, given that wouldn’t be a thing until 03, and this one has a code.
Speaking of the IDs, I’m thinking that the code-on-front masks have to be the first (or second?) iteration of the mold for the Ruru and Hau to make sense – at least if the material of those is the usual (which would mean they’re molded, which obviously means they have to have had molds).
There’s also the fact that among the initial Toa Mata parts are Kopaka’s and Onua’s limbs in the greys, and that’s before any mask…
I think that on a smaller scale, they’re not all that useful for determining when decisions were made. I figure a lot of these were added in several bulk orders that may not have been entered in exact chronological order of when they were made, or something along those lines. I.e. not an organized queue.
Also, some instruction manuals come before the parts that they include, such those of the HF 2.0 heroes, or the Toa Mata’s. They were probably revised, just like the molds?
Asked Black Six about the Miru; time to wait and see. Not sure if he still has any.
Edit: Nope, he doesn’t have them anymore.
Thanks for the effort. I think all of the parts on the newest picture are prototypes (not final molds).
From the ones I can tell for sure:
orange Matatu
white Huna
black Huna
dark gray Rau
dark gray Hau
light gray Ruru
yellow Kakama
medium blue Pakari
tan Miru
teal axe
gray foot addition
purple toa arm
The rest I can’t definitely say I see the giveaway signs of prototype parts (from this specific picture), but considering those are in minority, it is safe to assume all of them are indeed prototypes and not final molds.
Was just doing my once every few months BZP check and fell down the rabbit hole a bit and ended up here.
This write-up is incredible, it’s amazing to see things like this still being done after 20 years, and reading about the possible origins of the EU Misprints was great. Props to everyone involved.
Has anyone had any follow up regarding the Medium Blue Kakama, or the new set of 5? I got in touch with the guy who had two of the Kakamas, one was sold, one not for sale. Came with a random used Toa purchase, no further follow up with the previous owner. Located in Denmark. Whoever bought it must have paid a lot, do we know who it was?
Doesn’t seem like there’s been any further follow up on the 5 piece either. Guy has Twitter DMs off but I DMed on Insta, no response as of yet. Seems like it’s always the same story much like the Brown Komau, got it in a random lot, friend said they got it from a mask pack etc. I’m dubbing them the Infinity Masks… rare, beautiful… and one person probably shouldn’t own them all
Welcome to the rabbit hole!
There are three medium blue Kakama owned by two people - though based on your information, now there are three owners, one for each mask.
These things, unsurpsiringly, come almost exclusively from Europe. Denmark and Sweden seem to be most common sources.
This may have already been said somewhere, but… what are the odds that this late decision was somehow related to these same two masks being mistakenly released in the Toa colours?
I have some insight as to the “product versions” of the Toa Mata which may or may not be useful towards figuring out what the six additional Tohunga sets would’ve been.
A while ago I assembled a comprehensive list of every version of the Toa Mata ever released, for collection purposes:
The 7-digit item number is the one located right above or below the barcode. For every “type” there is also a unique 7-digit item number denoting that specific release of the rotating sleeve.
Two things are particularly curious here:
The six International and six American releases with CDs occupy twelve consecutive item numbers; this isn’t the case for any of the other releases.
There was an additional release for Pohatu, Onua and Gali only that lacked Portuguese copy on the packaging. These were produced towards the end of 2001 (but not in 2002 like many of the other releases) in Europe and then distributed in North America.
All of these have been verified with photos of current and sold listings in the 100s if not 1000s.
I also have the six non-McDonald’s Tohunga sealed and will inspect them to verify their item numbers.
Great work! I wonder why the first three were reprinted…
The 02 releases of the Tohunga intrigue me. There are Australian McDonald’s one which… are self-explanitory. But where and how the regular international ones were releases is still beyond me, and I am amazed at how under-the-radar they’ve been on online forums. There’s also further IDs that I have no idea what they’re for :v
the six additional Tohunga sets were going to depict characters of Kotu, Kopeke, Kapura, Tamaru, Hafu, and Taipu - though early drafts used different names.
across the twelve Tohunga sets, all 12 masks would be used.
all 12 were going to be released through McDonald’s, and that was always the plan for their release.
all 12 Matoran would have looked very different from how we know them; based on the video, they may even have had 3 colors each, and Turaga-like staffs like in the games.
Yeah, that’s what I have as Packaging Item Numbers in the “International” (seocnd) column.
IIRC, I never quite figured out which numbers are for the product version and which ones are for the packaging, since they’re both written on the packaging. (The “Sheet Item Numbers” are the instruction sheets, in case that one is unclear.)