Hypothetically a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to see it. How is that a story if no one is there to interpret the event. And don’t tell me that the action of me coming up with the hypothetical event is the same as the outcome of the event. Pretend it’s true, is that a hard assumption? If it is true, then how can that event be a story?
God this topic is more active then the canon contest discussion topic.
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See the problem here?
I won’t. See my above answer.
That’s why history is great. It’s actually a science of deduction and interpretation, just as much forensics are (though that involves chemistry and biology as well). We read, watch, and investigate the views of people and come to our own conclusions, just as criminal law tends to do.
I think most people would be frightened with how much of the world isn’t objective. Including science, which also changes from different people’s theories and interpretations. It certainly scares me. Yet I find comfort in it as well. Shoot we even have subjective opinions here on Star Wars.
Even the stuff in star wars is subjective. One part I love about the Mandalorian season 2 thus far is showing how people interpret the Republic and Empire. What Mayfield said about them is very deep after years of seeing “black and white” storytelling with the Empire and Rebellion. In this sense, the world building for the contrast of ideas between the Mandalorians as well has been incredible. Star Wars feels more real to me than it has in years.
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Might as well throw out every book that uses a story to demonstrate an idea then. Farewell Animal Farm
Come on Traykar, that’s a logical fallacy, I’m not saying to do that. I’m saying your argument doesn’t hold water when I’ve been trying to say real life experiences and stories are the same thing.
Funny you mention Animal Farm because it’s based off an actual thought-out ideology and criticizing it’s flaws. It discusses a very real movement with allegory.
It’s not worth it, trust me.
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The way I see it is that you aren’t considering the idea of the story because it’s being presented as a story. And that’s the thing, the experience is the story, not the event.
A story that demonstrates an idea, how novel.
I certainly am. I’m saying both are valid.
A very real idea, just as a tree falling in a forest is real, not hypothetical.
May we move on from this argument? Winger is right, it’s merely moving in circles and no doubt Ghid is munching on popcorn like the Sith Lord he is, saying, “YES, USE YOUR HATRED FOR MY AMUSEMENT!”.
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You can leave whenever you feel like it, but Then consider this, if my example could be true, then events aren’t stories.
boi you do not want me listing off the fallacies here
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Good lord stop it. You’re being absolutely pretentious now.
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What’d I tell you guys? Anyway, would Ghid mind picking apart my argument? And I mean argument in the philosophy debate sense, not the internet fight sense.
How about we return to Star Wars, please.
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uh maybe do it in a PM because history, stories, events and their differences have nothing to do with SW
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So uh, tldr: I didn’t like the use of what I believe is Deus Ex Machina in the last episode of the mandalorian. While things like it may happen in real life, that doesn’t mean that it always lends itself well to storytelling. And lastly there’s a clear distinction between events and people’s interpretation of events in regards to whether or not they count as stories.
Typically people complain about that when there isn’t any set up. While Luke showing up is probably a Deus Ex Machina by definition, it was properly set up.
Grogu reaches out through the Force to any Jedi that could hear him, Luke picks up on his Force signature, and follows it to Moff Gideon’s cruiser. He just happened to arrive after a rescue team had already arrived and were in trouble. Had Din and co taken an extra day to pick up Ahsoka to help as well, Luke probably would’ve been in and out on his own and everyone would’ve shown up to a bunch of dead Imperials and sliced up Dark Troopers.
Using Han as an earlier example, yeah, he showed up out of the blue as well during the battle of Yavin, but like Luke in this episode, it had been set up that at his core Han was actually a good guy. Luke coming to collect Grogu would’ve happened whether he’d been kidnapped or not since it was set up in “The Tragedy”. He would’ve just shown up on Nevarro or wherever Din took him. So while technically Luke’s appearance can be classified as a Dues Ex Machina, it was used well and not as a crutch since it had been set up.
I feel like a Dues Ex Machina is only a problem if the ONLY way out for our characters is through sudden and magical intervention. Gideon talked a good game, but Din did have the Dark Saber on him, and between Bo Katan, Reeves, Cara, and Fennec’s blaster fire and Din’s Beskar staff and Dark Saber, they would’ve been able to get out of that situation. So yeah, Luke saved them, but I don’t think he was their only hope.
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Palpatine literally kills Fisto himself in Ep III
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Sure it makes sense for Luke to show up, but that doesn’t having anything to do with my point, which is that it cheapens the plot and overshadows all of the other characters.
What I mean is that here we have minor players in the grand scheme struggling against impossible odds, and then boom, the arguably most important character in the entire franchise shows up and saves the day.
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also the only thing that really soils the ending for me was knowing that the sequels exist and luke’s new jedi order was fated to crumble
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You’re completely correct, I forgot. I still figured it would’ve been a different Jedi, but I have no problem with how they handled things.
@Winger The fact they called it “The Book of Boba Fett” made me think the next season of Mandalorian would reset to chapter one, and seasons one and two would be retconned into being “The Book of Din Djarin”. Although, for all we know, it could just be a novel. I wouldn’t mind, really.