Toa Hagah Canon Contest Format Feedback

The same logical deduction could be said that like how the Matoran that became the Inika were based off of the Nuva and received a different aesthetic, some of the Matoran that became the Hagah could still be Metru design, but have different variations of their armor and limbs.

Sure, and that’s why I’ve said they could have different shins. I think that the forearms should remain the same for the sake of playability, as though they were a normal canister set.

I get your logic and I don’t think you’re wrong for having it, but what you’re saying is definitely your interpretation and not concretely solidified by anything. Its got strong basis, but not definitive. I myself am pretty purist as well, but I don’t think a split of 3 metru thigh armors and 3 Inika thigh armors would look bad on the team at all

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This, like, solely pertains to the color scheme. It’s one of those answers that really annoys me because it was clearly generated by some hotshot looking for a cool edit to BS01 that didn’t do anything to develop canon (in fact it made an addition with no relevance at all), but beyond that Ackar’s physical armor shares no similarity with Tahu’s. That’s purely a color scheme thing.

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wow that’s a world record for the longest time between plugs.

I’m didn’t know I needed that until now.

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For your convenience

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as of right now, in our minds, it’s either this stud-based measurement guideline for custom torsos OR an upper + lower Metru torso mandate.

At this point this a big necropost digging from several hundred posts in the past in order to quote, but and you definitely didn’t already know this from my prior posts I highly favor stud-based measurement over torso piece mandate.

Breaking the quote so I don’t send an unnecessary notif.

EDIT: NOOOOO HE SAW IT ANYWAY HOW COULD HE SEE THROUGH MY FOOLPROOF SCHEME TO NOT BOTHER HIM :sob:

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All right
Let’s say I want to put an inika chestplate on my Hagah Moc. So, I try to attach it… and there’s a big stupid gearbox in the way. I can either put it way too low.

Or have it sticking out to Six Kingdom come

But let’s say I use a 2015 torso instead

It fits perfectly. But how do the proportions compare?

The shoulders are a bit wider, but then they go straight down, resulting in the arms being narrower.

It’s comparable in size to the meturrtoran Torso Norik uses. And Norik smells.

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Looks nothing like a Hagah torso. Easy solution: don’t use the bloody Inika chest. This is Lego. Not every part can or should be useful in every situation.

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Okay but like @SirKeksalot said why would you even slap an Inika chest plate on a Metru torso lol
This attempt to prove a point in favor of custom torsos just proves a massive point against them

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Holy cow! I decided to take a break from here for a bit while waiting for the contest discussion to come up again, and I come back a couple days late and see 800+ replies. Can’t say I’m surprised, haha. Anyways, here’s my final take on this bit of Bionicle taxonomy:

For me, I don’t see the “metru build” restriction as something that should be a rule. At the end of the day, if Greg approves a custom build, then that build becomes a “Metru build” by definition.

As for what should be a “Metru build”, I think that should be a matter for the vote, not the rules. Voters should be told that whatever wins will become an extension of the definition of a “Metru build” and they should factor that into their choices.

That being said, I don’t mind the stud measuring rule that’s being tossed around, so long as it has a little flexibility (plus or minus a stud or two), but I think at this point the rules would be getting a tad convoluted.

Besides, it’s a creative contest, so let people be creative! If people think a particular build style is not in the spirit of the canon, then they won’t vote for it.

Anyways, this is all I have to say about the Metru build discourse. I’m here to have fun participating in a contest, not to argue about how many grains of sand make a pile for the nth time. Ultimately, I’m sure I’ll enjoy the winning sets/art, whatever the rules end up being.

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Now this really is off-topic, but personally I subscribe to the idea of Toa Evolution. tl;dr: Inika builds were the original forms of Toa as they were based off of Glatorian (who likewise use Inika builds)*, and over the centuries the form of Toa were streamlined into Hagah builds, and then further streamlined into the Metru builds we see with Lhikan and the Metru.

*The Toa Mata and Helryx being exceptions to this, the former because they were designed by Artakha, Helryx because that topic is from like 6 years ago and we didn’t know what Helryx looked like then (although you can easily no-prize it by just calling her the prototypical Toa)

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i…didn’t think about that.

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No, it’s a canon contest. It has to abide by established canon. Greg said that the Hagah were all Metru builds before any amendments to what that could entail. Unless you seriously mean that an Inika build can be submitted and, by your logic, become a form of Metru build if it wins. Hell, why not go all out, why not let people make Artakha blue or give Helryx a Barraki head. It’s a creative contest, let people be creative, right?

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It’s not though it’s a cannon contest and as has been stated over and over again custom torsos add nothing and only detract also as I have stated putting ones faith fully in the hands of the voters is rather foolish.

Edit: The creative part of this contest is seeing how creative one can get whilst still sticking to the cannon and what has been said by Greg (and has been shown you can get pretty dang creative with a Metru torso/Metru Build) the creative part isn’t to just create the coolest Hagah

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“Sand green” is processed by Matoran eyes into what humans call blue. This is canon.

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I can’t believe I have to say this again but I guess it’s another day.

Be respectful in your replies to people you disagree with or suspensions will be forthcoming. My patience has run out.

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And this is why I said this was my final take on the topic, I don’t have the mental energy nor interest to get back into a heated debate about this.

I’ve said my peace, and I’m ready to move on to whatever the next topic is. What are some other points people are discussing besides the Metru build?

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The format of the contest (MOC-art, art only, or free for all MOC and art simultaneously) is not only another point of concern but the entire point of this thread, if you have something to share on that. Otherwise, just the Metru build.

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Its kinda all just debates over the build currently if its not the torso its the limbs if its not the limbs its the armor.