Don’t see any Lego approval on stuff Greg was doing for bionicle last 9 years so…
… except that it is. So we have to deal with it in the most obvious way.
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Yeah, and? Greg is still in charge of canon.
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Who said?
Greg is Lego.
He’s a Lego employee.
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Everything he has done has been as a Lego employee:
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Lego literally hired him to decide canon. Just because he’s not paid for Bionicle specifically anymore doesn’t mean he can’t do it.
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I honestly don’t see how simply saying “do not use any masks that are immoral or associated with Makuta” is overly specific or unnecessary, which has been all I’ve been saying.
Greg is an employee of LEGO, for one, and I don’t think LEGO as an entity cares.
If you don’t consider these contests canon, that’s fine. In that case, these contests don’t seem to be the place for you. I’d also point out, many of the quotes we refer to are from when BIONICLE was still running; Greg didn’t start answering questions following the cancellation, he started in 2002.
He also wrote effectively all story media in the later half of BIONICLE’s life span - The outline for the Legend Reborn movie, the serials, books, comics, and web content. This is in addition to having written most books, comics and web content (outside of games) in the earlier half as well. As far as I know, the story team mainly worked with the greater narrative and setting following 2005.
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Aw Meso, it was nothing man, really
Well I can’t really say that I’m happy or even remotely satisfied with the ruleset chosen, as it’s essentially all the things I didn’t want and advocated against and which will (IMO) have the worst outcome with the most divided results. But at this point I’ve already stated most every reason I’ve had, so there’s little reason in me attempting to continue.
As per Eljay’s request, however, I will weigh on this issue:
The effort put into a lot of the 3d masks being used and subsequently being overridden by a group artist only stings more when preexisting masks get protection from alteration. Masks are a big part of why a certain entry may win over another, and if that element is entirely ignored for those who put the extra effort in but not for those who don’t, it just feels… Unnecessarily slanted.
Plus, entrants who desire to have their standard issue mask shape changed to a more creative design in the next phase of the context no longer can, and those who would prefer their 3d-modeled and custom-printed mask be left as is have no say whatsoever. If artists can change some, they should be allowed to change all.
Also, does this mean the Olisi is on the table? It wasn’t on the barred masks list, but it might’ve been overlooked.
Anyway for the rest of you posting every five minutes, I’ll probably be coming back to this topic at some point, and if you’re still infighting I will frown at you with exceeding disappointment
so be good
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Isn’t that the printer that can’t print love letters?
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Prolly not. It’s unique and not worn by a hero, so it should be out. So yeah, most likely an oversight on TTV’s part. They’re only human, can’t be expected to not forget stuff occasionally.
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Just a quick clarification, does this mean that these components are required to be metallic? Or that metallic colors can only exist on these parts? Like, for example, if my Gaaki had blue feet instead of gold, would that disqualify her?
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The question isn’t “is it legal”, the question is who’s gonna stop me?
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Here is my feedback:
In general I agree with most decisions and rullings made here, but I do have several important disputes and remarks.
1.)
I think the restriction on the parity of metallic armor placement is too restrictive. While having a restriction on the overall amount of metallic colors is a good thing, having it on the armor pieces themselves is too much.
A little variation on the placement can greatly enhance the final visual of both individual and team.
Toa teams are nown to have little variation within themselves without compromising overall cohesive look. Prime examples are Toa Inaka and even Toa Hagah themselves.
This wouldn’t conflict with canon either, as it was never specified that only specific parts of armor were given this color. The only thing(s) we do know/should be specifically mandated are the Masks, shield and spear tip.
It shouldn’t be an issue to put the rest of the metallic armor pieces on other body parts as long as they do not breach certain visual treshold of color representation a.k.a. clash with the visual.
To avoid any abusing of less restrictions, armor could be defined as any piece or conglomerate of pieces, which serve as an add-on to the model and can be removed without disturbing the anatomy and integrity of the model (If you can remove it and the MOC is still a complete and stable humanoid, it is ok).
This would exclude feet, Masks, shields and spear tip - those, while not neccesarily being armor, either can (feet), or must (Mask, shield, spear tip) be in metallic.
2.)
A single shade of metallic armor is not well defined. Is it a absolute to the point of only allowing one concretely lego-termed shade, or does it work in more general terms (Gold, Silver, Copper, Gunmetal, etc.)?
I think the latter would be more beneficial, if only for the color of Silver.
There are several slightly different shades of silver, which ultimately wouldn’t make make much difference, but would be benefcial for creative parts usage.
So I would think that the single shade of metallic could include groups of metallic colors - for example flat silver, pearl silver, metallic silver vs gunmetal.
The minute differences within metallic shade, would be corrected in group artwork (similarly to Artakha contest).
Of course this is not the problem in digital models and art entries.
3.)
If a winning MOC uses 3D-printed or custom masks, I think it would be appropriate to NOT let the artist change their design for the final group shot. As per the practice employed in the standard canon contest format, the creative vision of the MOC (and in this case also art) should be translated to the final team artwork. This is especially true for custom build masks, as there is no clash of interests with BS01, therefore no reason at all to change the mask in the art.
The artists should be obligated to keep the mask design of the individual winning MOCs, and art pieces.
I firmly believe this third point to be a necessity and strongly encourage you to consider it.
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This one. BS01’s cranky moderator can deal with it. Let people’s designs be canon.
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You bring up a good point about the metallic colors. Personally, I’d say let them be any color and be recolored to match in the final art, given the limited amount of parts in specific colors…
Also, with a couple exceptions, most silver pieces in G1 are the same LEGO color (131 Silver), even though Bricklink distinguishes them between Flat Silver and Pearl Light Gray – the difference is caused by the material. And the post-2010 Gunmetal is a different color despite Bricklink not recognizing it, and despite not being very noticibly different. And then there’s copper, where Bricklink has grouped 5 different colors, which are also visually distinct, into one.
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Eljay, most likely.
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I’m looking to enter, but where, and how do I enter my build?
Or has it already been and gone?