Do not cite the deep lore to me
There are so many possible mask designs in the MU and yet we stick to the ones that accociate with the sets. It is possible that all four will have unique masks, but after previous contests I don’t want to risk even small details.
I’m disappointed the Mask of Emulation was unsurprisingly excluded from Pouks like my pal @doni , but I understand why that rule was implemented. Overall, these rules are pretty reasonable.
Ah heck, then I guess I need to stop being a boomer and figure out how to download custom pieces into Stud.io soon 
I mean, I guess, but it just complicates things.
lol, same. Still gotta figure out how to get the biopack working, too!
Also side not:
Not really related to the Hagah rules, but I wonder what this contest’s title will be…
I find it almost insulting that the results of the poll (“exactly as normal” winning by a landslide) were practically ignored, and the way this explanation reads is very opinionated with “we believe,” “our utmost belief,” and “just seems like,” so I just don’t find it convincing enough to side against the majority of the community on this one.
While I am disappointed, I did expect it, and I think I should address some points made in the first topic that I didn’t initially.
Artistic license is a great way to excuse “We don’t have the molds anymore and this Rahkshi is in the style of the rest of the Stars.” We are not hindered by that limitation and shouldn’t be forced to abide by it because you don’t want to use specific pieces.
Additionally, the Rahkshi can be excused otherwise - they were modified to sport thicker, light-resistant armor.
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At first, I took the citation on BS01 for granted without actually looking at Journey’s End to see for myself. When I did look, however, I only found this single line from chapter 9:
Meanwhile, Takanuva is fighting the Rahkshi of Heat Vision, who are now more resistant to his light powers.
It’s left ambiguous, so it could refer to a difference in armor, but it doesn’t automatically mean that. Maybe it was a product of Makuta Viruses, we simply don’t know for sure. Plus Greg’s consistency that this is purely a difference in set design with no significance in story.[1][2] For other Stars, yes, there actually is an in-universe change in armor, like Gresh[3][4][5] and Tahu,[5] but the Skrall is just regular, only green instead of red,[6][7] and there is no definitive explanation for Takanuva or Nektann that I could find. Even outside of the Stars there are examples, namely Gold Good Guy, who was canonized as Turaga Lhikan,[8][9] despite having the same Great Hau instead of a Noble. Or how Ultimate Dume is (probably? there’s conflicting answers[10][11]) the same exact form as 2003 Makuta, only with wings.
Yes, the reason for these differences out-of-universe is that they were simply working with the pieces they had, but I was specifically talking about how they impact canon in-universe, showing that they don’t have any reason in story for their differences but are still equally canon, so a custom built Hagah wouldn’t canonically go against the Metru build (especially when the differences with my build are much less egregious than the differences that already exist in canon). This isn’t even taking into consideration the differences between the sets and other media, like the movies, which Greg also considers to be equally canon, just a different interpretation.
You simply cannot argue from canon that custom builds should be banned. One could even make the argument from the wording of the question asked to Greg, specifically the phrase “Metru-styled,” that it doesn’t automatically imply an exact Metru build, which would be supported by the fact that the Hagah come from different teams across the MU. I’m not saying I support this view, but that it’s one way to read it. Whichever way you do, there still isn’t justification to ban custom builds on the basis of canon, and it would be arrogant to ignore everything above and suggest otherwise. However, if you ban custom builds simply to ensure cohesion with Norik and Iruini, while that is entirely reasonable, it would be purely opinionated to suggest the actual Metru torso piece must be used in order to achieve that cohesion, and you would then be imposing that opinion onto official canon, which is far more arrogant.
So why not let custom builds enter and let the community decide to vote for them or not if they so desire?
I didn’t expect a free for all contest to actually win. Nice. I’m way more in favor of this format.
Official Greg Dialogue | Page 300
- In JE, it is noted that the rahkshi are “upgraded” by Teridax, in what ways are they upgraded?
- Better armor
Should probably go and update the BS01 page with that then, but still, there are many other examples, so my point still stands.
Yes–Takanuva is a very prime one.
I agree that the sets have a layer of “artistic license” themselves.
But what if we like the entry that uses an existing mask best? There’s nothing wrong with existing masks.
this one feels unnecessary
Hey, glad to see this initial ruleset! I like pretty much everything on here, except one point;
Emphasis mine. I have no issue with the prefab torso being required, however I feel as though certain designs, especially Purple Onewa builds could be enhanced with wider shoulders. Constraining us to using just that specific pelvis piece would make crafting a more proportional version of that design considerably more difficult.
Apart from that little detail, I’m liking this ruleset for the MoC entrants! It allows for reasonably diverse builds while not allowing extreme cases. Looking forward to the contest!
I mean, where else could you realistically put metallic armor, aside from the shins without it looking kinda weird?
I don’t really think I plan on entering it, but out of curiosity for others who might be interested, is this an acceptable torso build?
My instinct says no just because it doesn’t use the Metru lower torso (which I don’t have a problem with), but realistically this is really the only way to get an Onua/Strakk styled torso without it looking weird.
It connects the exact same way as the normal piece using axles.
Just curious! Thanks for the rules, might try my hand at some art!
Ooh! This is another great example of what could be done if the Metru Pelvis restriction wasn’t in place, can’t believe I forgot about this. Good design, my man! Looking forward to any artwork entries you put out.
This mask did not exist when the Hagah reforged their masks. I think this list needs some trimming, Meso.
EDIT: Oops. I misread this. Disregard.
Yeah… that’s why it’s not allowed
Schrödinger’s Mask
So regarding masks, its that final art can change the mask to any style they want for the end product of the initial winners? Or ONLY change masks that do not make sense and are just placeholders.
These rules seem pretty fair and justifiable, though they will disqualify my Pouks who is a few studs taller than Iruini. Oh, well.
I’m not going to pour over this topic ad nauseum like I did last time, much too hard on my mental health. All I’ll say is best of luck to everyone working on or ready with an entry. These are the only contests I, as of now, ever saw myself entering, so I’ve been looking forward to them.
-Arc
What about using the unavailable masks as armor pieces (i.e. using the avohkii as armor). There’s already precedent for it with Makuta using 2 of them for his hands, and since there aren’t a whole lot of flat dark gold pieces having it as an option would be helpful.
