Debates normally have two sides. One person will enter the situation supporting one view, the other will enter the situation supporting the other view. Due to this people tend to favour the view they are supporting over the other viewpoint, so will generally speak from the position that the opposing viewpoint is wrong.
Basically, feeling like the other person thinks your opinions is incorrect or wrong is entirely natural for anyone having a debate with someone who thinks the opposite - though most the time its just opinions on opinions rather than opinions on people.
Possibly - though another option I’ve thought of recently is that it could be a sort of ‘key’ in order for Umarak The Destroy to activate something or reach the area for which Makuta is likely buried/kept contained.
I feel this may be an alternative to having it be a mask - given i don’t think we’ve seen a perfect corresponding mask at the moment which fits the design, only ones with similarities. So it may not even be a mask, just an object used to unlock a tomb or door or something.
You replied to the oldest version - I’ve shown direct comparisons between the image and the mask. As shown by the image, they have a lot of similar design attributes.
The upper half is the butterfly looking mask that we’ve seen, it does not resemble what is shown.
The lower part of the G2 mask of time resembles the G1 Vahi.
Neither shares any design attributes with the current item held by Umarak The Destroyer.
Still doesnt look like its a piece of the Mask of Creation.
Can you say that with absolute certainty, for all we know the lower part of the G2 lower Vahi can look very differently from the G1 version. Not to mention the G1 version was created by Vakama and isnt the original Vahi that inspired the legend of the mask of time which made Makuta instruct Vakama to create in the first place, plus in this gen the Vahi is the oldest thing in the setting while the G1 Vahi was a bit older than a millennia.
(Also the rock Umarak is holding, that maybe the way teh lower Vahi was protected and stored for all this time, and then later on he chipped off the rock to reveal the mask inside).
As I said in my initial post about this, the theory has some actual possibility.
But both of us are guessing here as of yet and both wont know who is right or wrong until the animations pop up and we get the complete picture of what is actually happening.
Incorrect interpretation of sources, the mask shown in the first novel was suppose to be the upper part as shown in the second novel. They did not ever shown the lower half canonically. What you are seeing in the second image is the preliminary image of the upper half. It is so preliminary that it uses the old Vahi image template straight out of the Biomedia files of G1. It artistically clashes with the rest of the novel and it visually is clear that it was put there as a last dich effort to have a Vahi shown in the comic, even though they did not have the actual G2 version ready to be presented. They clearly did not have a new Vahi mask ready as of the time when they were creating the first novel.
That wouldn’t make sense as the upper half, as described by Ekimu, does not give them the ability to summon the Toa. The mask is clearly stated as being able to give views into the past, future or other realms - not summoning people from different times, realms, realities or planets.
Do you have any links to where this was actually stated - or is this just a theory, as if it is just a theory that you have then it is not me doing an ‘incorrect interpretation of sources’
No where in anything you’ve posted is it stated what half of that mask is. And the fact the mask shown in the second panel you posted looks exactly like this:
Leads to the obvious assumption that it was, in fact, place holder. Unless you mean to tell me we need to take Narmoto and Vizuna’s color swap at face value as well?
Watch the 193 episode of TTV Podcast, and go on BS01,
BS01 has trivia thats states:
“In Gathering of the Toa, prototype artwork for the Generation 1 Kanohi Vahi was used to represent the Generation 2 Mask of Time; this same design appears as an Easter egg in several of the online animations. New artwork was first introduced in Battle of the Mask Makers.”
Also the ritual involving the Vahi and summoning the Toa used an awful lot of elemental powers form the protectors to have the Toa summoned, the mask itself did not seem to have the sufficient power to summon the Toa directly without this ritual being enacted. The full extent of the masks powers, plus adding the elemental power-up, are still unknown. We only know the use Ekimu gave us in the second novel, he did not specifically state that thats the masks only power.
I have to say, I can see @Scarilian’S point: it would be possible the Protectors found the lower half of the Vahi some time after Ekimu’s battle with Makuta, then using it to summon the Toa. The only problem is, in the first Graphic Novel, the Okto Protector’s Guide establishes that no one knows where the lower half is. So the one in the First GN and IoLM has to be the upper half.
I will say, though, that I have no doubt the lower half looks like the G1 Vahi. Otherwise, why would we have seen so many G! Vahi camEaster eggs.
And the G1 Vahi could be just plain laziness, too. This is the same GN that gave Gali and Kivoda the exact same dialogue as Narmless and Tahu.
Cause they are Easter eggs and LEGO knows they have older fans that would go for this sorta thing, like you just demonstrated. A nod if you will.
(Plus this was probably also at the time when the new Vahi was not even conceptualised yet, or maybe even considered as that important of a thing to conceptualise. Heck the MoUP wasnt and yet it was on of the three masks stated in the prologue of 2015, and it still dint have a clear design even in the second novel, despite the Vahi getting its G2 model shown).
Having the lower half of the G2 Vahi look the same as the lower half of G1 would be as some other people would call it, lazy. Unless they made a true connection between the two gens through the Vahi (which I doubt it), there is no reason for the lower half to even look like the old gen version. Not to mention it just doesnt fit right with the G2 upper half at all, where as if it was an Egyptian beared styled lower half like the one possibly being held by Destroyer, that could be nicely snapped on and incorporated into the G2 upper half.
If we look at the mask, there is a pre-determined place where lower half would fit. While granted that sort of upper spike could somehow slot onto the mask and the lower triangular shape might fit the mask here - it would be virtually impossible to replicate that design in Lego form as two separate masks due to how they would need to attach together to function.
Personally i don’t see why Lego wouldn’t capitalise on the popular design of the Vahi, especially given all the comments they had back in 2015 about the Vahi appearing in the animations. This mysterious object could very well be the lower half of the G2 Vahi, but I’m still not seeing an official comment on the situation.
To be honest, if that thing Umarak the Destroyer is holding is the other part of the G2 Mask Of Time it would look rather terrible (as shown above) it would be an almost complete solid block at the bottom of the mask…
Still an assumption none-the-less. No official word on the situation has been provided - and until that point, we’re just assuming that the placeholder was meant to represent the upper half of the Mask Of Time.
Granted a prototype of the G1 Vahi was used, but that still is not an official confirmation about the Vahi being a placeholder image for the upper half, nor that the design wont now be worked into the story due to the initial mistake. Added to this the question of why they wouldn’t find a workaround for this issue by either removing or altering the panel (The Mask Of Ultimate Power is obscured by shadow, so the Mask Of Time could have been obscured by mystical energy when used)
Except if Lego knew fans would react that way, why would they then provide a very old placeholder image that they knew would ‘trigger’ old fans to be used in the situation where they were unable to complete a G2 Mask Of Time design in time. Surely this would just generate confusion amongst fans?
That trivia has no official source and TTV were just stating that it was likely a placeholder given it was a prototype, I’m still not seeing any official word on the subject being presented here. I was hoping for an official source rather than people just assuming things and trying to pass it off as factual.
While granted it is very likely that it was not intended to be the Vahi, a placeholder image doesn’t always mean that the placeholder was not intended as the finalised design at that stage. Its not rare for an artist to use a stock image to fill the place if it is too late in the game to do an original design.
It could very well be that they weren’t told a design for the Vahi segment and then Lego suddenly decided to make it the G1 Vahi after response from fans based on the Easter Egg’s (Arguably the vast majority of comments regarding the animations were about the appearance of the Vahi in the animations)
It is still unclear about how much of any media is accurate, given the multiple retcons and inaccuracies from book to comic to animation. The remarks that many generations passed between the Toa being summoned via the temple of time and them arriving on Okoto for example seems completely lost in the graphic novel/comic.
The inclusion of Quake Beast, a new set that would likely generate more sales, seems like a very odd choice indeed. I guess they kind of just believed it was part of the previous wave of sets due to the design or something…
Doesn’t really make sense to include him as part of the deal as they normally do these deals to clear out old stock quickly and to get people to have an item they may not otherwise buy to convince them to buy others of that item (Which they could do with any Bionicle set, so doing it with new stock is unnecessary)
