We also had this discussion in like, late December. Nothing more to be gained out of it because the mods were paying attention to that discussion.
The exact point of the pit was already brought up too
Alright then. Iāll go put these quotes I found in the lore page and leave it at that.
He recognized the mask, not the armour.
And he recognized the mask because of his extended knowledge of the history of Metru Nui:
Although, as @Keplers suggested, itās possible that this familiarity was bolstered by some fragment of a memory of Tuyet from his time on Metru Nui:
This is all Iām gonna say on this, as I want to clarify why I personally think the armor is Nuva.
I have been working of the basis of those with what I said above and reasoning behind this is for Matoro to be able to recognize the armor goes as follows:
Matoro has seen other beings wear Kanohi (Karzahni, Axonn, Brutaka, Teridax) so just seeing a Mask of Power wouldnāt mean the armor was that of a Toa, so he wouldāve had to have been at least familiar with the shape of her Toa armor to know what it was. Like we know the visual difference between different types of Dinosaur bones, but someone who didnāt would have a decently hard time identifying the specific type correctly. (See myths of dinosaur bones being thought as Dragons and incorrectly reconstructed skeletons)
Along with this, Matoro and the other Matoran havenāt heard stories of Tuyet, as she was basically left out of Metru Nui history.
Finally, we know Matoran can never see a Toa, even on Metru Nui. So the odds of a Ko-Matoran seeing Tuyet during the time she was active in Metru Nui seems pretty unlikely.
Iām gonna be honest about the last one, I have no clue where I got that quote.
Edit: Vira - BIONICLEsector01
Apparently Vira is the one the quote was talking about, still have no clue where it came from.
This is a logical leap. Just because Vira is a young Matoran does not mean Matoro must be as well.
Thatās all well and good, but Tuyet canāt be a Toa Nuva, so it canāt be Nuva armor. Sure, you could feel that it resembled the armor of the Toa Nuva, but thatās not something we could regulate for the contest. The armor could have resembled the Toa Inika as well, or, as many people have pointed out, it could be a suppressed memory he unlocked by seeing it. Matoro, of all Matoran, is very likely to have seen images of past Toa as well.
Yeah I meant Nuva-like. Iām not even trying to say it has to be Nuva, just that Iāve always seen it as that because of the context.
Anyways Iām done on this point, as Iāve made my position clear.
As for the Vira thing, Iāll have to figure out where the quote is from first before I continue anything with that.
I personally think itās Nuva-Like but have no intention to try and mandate it.
Well isnāt in story that the Inika are supposed to be āNuva-likeā due to their forms being inspired by the Nuva?
Not necessarily.
While newly-transformed Toa would typically resemble the Toa that they are familiar with, this did not happen with the Inika because of their unique transformation:
Side Tangent
(Also, as an unrelated side note, Question 1 of that second link is pretty interesting. It kind of recontextualizes the 2004/05 arc, but it ultimately makes sense. The Turaga were clearly expecting the Toa to arrive at some point, and, given the reveal of the Toa Mataās backstory in 2008, it only makes sense that the Toa Metru would expect them to arrive immediately.
This also fits with my previously-mentioned idea that Teridax wanted the Vahi because he knew the Toa Mata were coming, and wanted to use it to accelerate Mata Nuiās death so that he wouldnāt have to delay them for 1000 years.
Also, a Toa Metru/Toa Mata teamup could have been cool)
Hm I had always assumed it was sort of like a half-deal where yes obviously everyone knows they had a unique transformation, but their mental āperspective of Toaā still played a role
ye, thatād be interesting
- Axonn wears a Nuva chestplate and it is never mentioned that any of the Toa acknowledge this, or that he wears armor in any was resemblant to a Toaās.
Noone acknowledged that Hydraxon has a foot on his chest either⦠sometimes armor is just armor. They worked with their limited part selection.
If Iāve learned anything from these contests and discussions, itās that the lack of explicit mention of something doesnāt mean it wasnāt there. Iām not quite sure how Axonn is supposed to prove that Tuyet doesnāt have Nuva-like armour (or maybe that she does? Iām not quite sure what your point is), but I donāt think it does.
Thereās also what @Takutanuva said. The use of the same part on multiple models doesnāt mean that those parts of the characters look the same in-universe. After all, I highly doubt that Helryxās shoulders look like actual heads, or that Krakuaās chest looks like a Nui-Jaga stinger.
EDIT: I see now that this is what you were saying as well
Saying that āMatoro recognized the armor as a Toaāsā (even though the text says no such thing) does not automatically imply Nuva armor ā a character who had Nuva armor did not have any connection to a Toaās appearance.
Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense.
I may donāt use this method when I entry, but I think this can helps and solves many people!
(The reason is, this mod āfixā the launcherās angle, and āeraseā the swordās ābackward barbā. It may makes lose the modelās compatibility on Art contest. But again,this is Great! Really Thank you!!)
ADD:I think this method is fine because of the softness and toughness of this piece, but I made a test video for those who donāt actually have the pieces!
As you can see, deforming is a little! (and this piece is soft enough to bend easily with your fingers, for its launcher function!)
What constitutes Nuva armor in this circumstance? If itās just the specific Lego parts used to represent them in the Toa Nuva sets, that argument falls flat since several characters use them; namely Norik uses Nuva shoulder pads, Kualus uses a Nuva chest plate, and Axonn uses both. If itās the parts used in conjunction with a Mata body, thatās a bit more believable since the original Nuva sets were modified Mata builds; but otherwise Iām having trouble imagining what would distinguish a Toa Nuva from a regular Toa from a MOC-making perspective. The Phantoka and Mistika, most of which could look right at home with the Mahri, donāt clear things up one bit either.
solution: people just build what looks good that reasonably looks like a toa
krakua proved that the design doesnāt need to follow canister set body plans, just general proportions
just, like, do that, bro
Iām not overly concerned about how to build something that looks like a Toa, but since this person said
regarding what Tuyetās armor could look like, Iām curious to know what constitutes Nuva armor.